Re: [SLE] Install source

Anders Johansson wrote:
You're missing the key. It's not SLES vs. Microsoft. It's SLES vs.
OpenSUSE vs. Ubuntu vs. Debian. I certainly can't justify the extra
thousands per server of SLES over the others to my boss.

The key is "certifications". If you want support from companies like Oracle,
you need that, and those cost money.

You're forgetting your roots, as RedHat did. The legions of sysadmins
working in small businesses, startups, and underfunded departments that
snuck Linux in through the backdoor. We don't have the thousands of
dollars to spend on support contracts per server nevermind affording
Oracle's hefty price tag.

I'm not against the existance of SLES/SLED. Obviously, that support and
those certifications cost money. For those that need it, they will
spend the money. I am, however, against making OpenSUSE simply a cvs
snapshot of SLES, which is what 10.1 is. If OpenSUSE cannot be trusted
to provide proper, stable releases that each improve on their
predecessors, then what's the point? Why should anyone install it?
It's just giving Novell free beta testing at our own expense.

OpenSUSE, if the trend of 10.1 continues, will be too suspect to run on
production servers, just like Fedora. If that's the case, I'll be
moving to Ubuntu or Debian, and so will an awful lot of others. I know
of several that have already made the switch.

Between 10.1 and the announcement of GPL-only in OpenSUSE,

You talk about moving to Debian, and then in the next breath you complain that
openSUSE consists of only open source (not just GPL by the way) software.
Forgive me, but I fail to see the logic. What do you think Debian consists
of?

Think about the above... SuSE was providing more than Debian, but it
seems with every passing day, the gap is narrowing as suse sheds the
very things that made it better than Debian. Don't you see? If
OpenSuSE is unstable, gpl-pure, and has a short lifespan, then why would
anyone use it over Debian or Ubuntu, which have more stable releases and
much longer lifespans?

The "add-on" CD with third party software was available already during the
beta phase for openSUSE, it just wasn't shipped along with it. I can't say
exactly why, but I'd be willing to bet it has to do with licensing issues

Perhaps I read the announcement wrong, but as I understand it, there
will no longer be any of those "add-on" cds...

And openSUSE being developed in the open, you have every opportunity to test
it as it's being put together, and raise your complaints while there is still
time to do something about it.

Really? And for how long of 10.1's testing phase was zen/rug tested
with the new repo's? How "open" was the decision to rip out a
time-tested superior system and replace it with a Novell-branded system
that was specifically designed to work better ONLY with the rather
expensive Novell ZenWorks system, that few if any user of OpenSUSE is
likely to have, just because it was planned for SLES/SLED?

have you installed openSUSE 10.2 alpha yet?

What's the point? At any time, Novell could completely replace things
at it's whim, just before release, even at the release candidate phase.
It's already done so. OpenSUSE is not "open", it's simply visible.
If I were to submit a patch to replace zen/rug with the old system, do
you honestly believe that it would be in the release, even though by
every technical definition it would be superior to the Novell-branded
abomination currently in use?

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