Re: [SLE] Install source

On Monday 21 August 2006 02:07, suse@xxxxxx wrote:
I'm not against the existance of SLES/SLED. Obviously, that support and
those certifications cost money. For those that need it, they will
spend the money. I am, however, against making OpenSUSE simply a cvs
snapshot of SLES, which is what 10.1 is. If OpenSUSE cannot be trusted
to provide proper, stable releases that each improve on their
predecessors, then what's the point? Why should anyone install it?
It's just giving Novell free beta testing at our own expense.

What part of 10.1 *aside from the updater* do you feel is so horrible? The
update system was a mistake that I sincerely hope will never happen again,
but can you honestly say that the rest of the system is as bad as all that?

I've been running 10.1 here on all my machines since somewhere around beta 8
or so, and I have experienced no problems

And openSUSE being developed in the open, you have every opportunity to
test it as it's being put together, and raise your complaints while there
is still time to do something about it.

Really? And for how long of 10.1's testing phase was zen/rug tested
with the new repo's?

It was introduced in beta 3

How "open" was the decision to rip out a
time-tested superior system and replace it with a Novell-branded system
that was specifically designed to work better ONLY with the rather
expensive Novell ZenWorks system, that few if any user of OpenSUSE is
likely to have, just because it was planned for SLES/SLED?

Well, that's not exactly true. It works better with anything that is not a
YaST repository, because YaST as it was couldn't handle those at all. One of
the nice things about the new system is that it can handle just about any
repository format, making it far easier for regular users to create their own
repositories

It also solves one of the single most requested features of YaST ever, namely
that if you install a package that has received an online update since the
release, you now get the updated package immediately (assuming a working
connection to the update repository, of course). That is something YaST has
never been able to do, you always had to install the original release, and
then run an update

zmd is broken by implementation, not by design

But you are of course right that it was a huge mistake, doing it the way it
was done, there is no escaping that.

have you installed openSUSE 10.2 alpha yet?

What's the point? At any time, Novell could completely replace things
at it's whim, just before release, even at the release candidate phase.
It's already done so. OpenSUSE is not "open", it's simply visible.
If I were to submit a patch to replace zen/rug with the old system, do
you honestly believe that it would be in the release, even though by
every technical definition it would be superior to the Novell-branded
abomination currently in use?

First of all, it wouldn't be better "in every technical definition", as I
mentioned above. The old system was always broken and needed replacement
sooner or later. Go back in the archives of this list to before the takeover
and count the complaints. Why do you think so many people started using fou4s
or apt4rpm?

Secondly, no, I don't think a "rip this out and replace it" would have been
heeded. I do think bug reports showing the problems would have had an effect
though.


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