Re: [opensuse] RE: Open Suse Alpha3 testing - upgradeability

Thank you to all who have replied. I lost so much faith in the upgrade
installation from 10,1-10,2 because there were so many issues. I did
start bug reporting some of those issues in the beginning, however due
to the volume of issues with the whole process, the Evolution/KDE
password issue I lost a lot of faith in the whole QA system.

Many thanks for those who are testing the upgrade cycle. Ill let you
know how I get along with the RC of 10,3 upgrading a 10,1 install I
still have one PC running.

Scott

G.T.Smith wrote:
Alexey Eremenko wrote:

The problem with your ask is that we are, as a community, are
volunteers, and as such we prefer to focus on features we use
ourselves.

That is if some tester prefers new install and KDE, he will mostly (or
only) test KDE with fresh install, not matter how buggy other parts of
the distro are.

For one part I never do "upgrade" install, as I prefer fresh in all
cases. For me it is OK to drop that feature. If feature X goes
unmaintained and untested for long time (as 1 year or so) it gets
dropped from the distro eventually.

This basically means, that if feature X is important to you in a
community distro, you should test it yourself. The recommended time to
enter testing is BETA1 release.


On some occasions one does not have much of choice but to upgrade, and
it tends to be a bit quicker than building a new installation from
either backup or scratch.

At the moment there are no data or configuration migration tools for
SuSE that I am aware of. Backup can be used as a basis for restoring,
but on multi-user systems this can get messy (especially if the base UID
is changed as it was a few versions ago).

A new distribution will include newer versions of application packages
that will have particular upgrade issues related to that package. Most
will flag any problems, and detail known issues. To have SuSE testers
duplicate the activity of the the package testers and developers seems
to be a duplication of effort, and given we are talking several hundred
applications that is a lot of duplication.

What really is needed are migration/upgrade notes compiler so that
people can be informed of what work will be needed on which packages,
before they embark on the upgrade. What could probably be useful is a
web page detailing the packages versions installed linking into the
relevant packages information on update requirements on the developers
sites, and any specifically SuSE related issues. What would be even more
useful is If a package update link database was setup, it would be
possible to generate update documentation tailored for a particular
installation. (The database bit is hard.... the document generator
relatively trivial...)




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