Re: [opensuse] Gnome version of YAST vs KDE version

Dňa Sunday 09 September 2007 15:52:00 Clayton ste napísal:
I quite like the look of the QT version of YaST. It certainly a much
closer match to the console version, which is something I find myself
using more than the GUI version.

Therein stands my point. The CLI version and the QT version are close
enough in layout and style to be effectively the same. Walking
through one or the other, you are in familiar territory. Then you
fire up Gnome expecting consistent tools... and you're faced with that
dogs breakfast mess of YAST. There is ZERO consistency. That is
plain dumb. Consistency is critical in the interfaces that make SUSE
stand out.

Since you expressed your feelings about it, my advice is dont use the
yast gtk version for the sw_single module and dont use gnome. That way
you will never see it again, only the qt version, which I think will
solve your problems, mostly.

Fine, but... Gnome is as much a part of openSUSE as KDE is. I think
that even though I choose to use KDE at home (I have to use Gnome at
work), I have a responsibility to at least be familiar with Gnome as
Novell packages it. When things looks stupider than usual in Gnome I
also think I should speak up... and YAST in 10.3 is really poor. It
is a regression... a step backwards in usability... then again...
that's par for the course for anything Gnome.... so I guess it's to be
expected.

Still... I am quite disappointed in where "we" are taking Gnome in
openSUSE. This new YAST is not an improvement... fine, base it on
GTK.. I don't mind, but for God's sake, do some usability testing...
and put some thought into the fact that change for the sake of change
is wrong. And making the software installer so radically different
between KDE and Gnome makes my job supporting openSUSE a total
nightmare. I used to be able to walk the users through things like
the software management part without having to worry about whether
they liked Gnome or KDE, or were stuck with the text version of
YAST... it was all basically the same. Now? Now, it's a mess. A
real mess. I even tried the various other views... and they were
worse than the default flat view.

We simply took the hard work done by Ricardo and Michael to create the
community-developed Gtk frontend.

I see your point of support and also documentaiton is very similar issue.
However, the value of difference, trying out a different approaches is very
valuable.

For your particular case of support problems, I suggest to
adapt /etc/sysconfig/yast2, set WANTED_GUI="qt"

Stano
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