Re: [opensuse] kde3 is gone... for 11.2
- From: peter nikolic <p.nikolic1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:43:03 +0100
On Monday 13 April 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
peter nikolic wrote:
On Sunday 12 April 2009, jdd wrote:
I just notice that there will be nomore kde3 for the upcomming
I don't want to grin. Not necessary.
I just wanted to ask here what do you have in kde3.5 and don't find in
kde4 and you would like to have. Not to say you will have it but to
give info to devs...
I stopped using kde4 on 11.1 for problems in the config panel and lack
of understanding of the new windows layout. I expect this to be solved
before next release;
what do you think? be constructive :-)
NB: I miss the kweather applet, but it don't work neither in kde 3.5 :-(
A Fully working Quanta for one not Quanta for KDE 3.5.x that is half
dead because things are not there cus it needs KDE 3.5.x that is the one
that directly affects me .
KDE3 should not be dropped until the KDE4 devs can show we are NOT
sacrificing functionality. I can't wait for KDE4 to be finished, it should
be great. But to consider KDE4 a replacement for KDE3 at present is
intellectually dishonest. Quanta is Case-In-Point, a MAJOR app and arguably
the best at what it does. I was using it not more than 30 seconds before
checking email and finding this very depressing thread.
You can't even upload the files you are working on to your server in the
KDE4 version with fish. In KDE3 it is as simple as hitting F8.
Presently, for quanta and for other major areas of functionality, KDE4 is a
bust, it's not there yet, and there is NO way Novell, openSuSE, or God for
that matter, can expect KDE4 to mature sufficiently between now and the
11.2 release to be a workable replacement.
I just shake my head at the derisory decision making taking place and the
newfound *urgent* need to dump kde3. We were initially told that KDE3 would
be part of 11.2, now this? (Note the *loud absence* within Novell of anyone
willing to take "credit" for making this important decision)
I mean just keep telling people kde4 will be ready by 11.2 enough times,
and you can calculate 90% or so will be stupid enough to believe it. How
many time did it take hearing "Sadam has weapons of mass destruction, wmds,
and we know where they are", before you bought in?
Hopefully, Novell is privy to some hidden information (intelligence if you
will) that guarantees the KDE4 glamor toy we now have will be ready by 11.2
-- I doubt it. This dice-roll decision making within Novell concerning
functionality for what was once the hands down, most functional
distribution with the greatest attention to detail... is disturbing to say
the least -- or downright alarming to be honest and candid about it.
The management question still lingers. Would novell ever put out a release
of its openSuSE distribution that cannot do what its last prior release did
with the addendum of "uhh, we know its broken and doesn't quite have the
functionality the last version did, but we take such pride in saying we are
the best, we just decided to release it anyway...without a working KDE3.5
this time..." ???WTF???
That is the type of corporate thinking and corporate decision making that
brought us credit default swaps and we see how good that turned out.
Hopefully 12.0 will be a solid release with a working version of Quanta in
a mature KDE4. Sad, I used to alway look forward to the new capabilities in
the upcoming release. Now, I get to look forward to loss of capabilities in
the upcoming release?? My, "the times, they are a changing." (catchy
phrase, probably make a good song)
OK, now just chime in with how we are "just in the same type of transition
we were in with the KDE2-KDE3 transition" and "not to worry", but please be
kind enough to provide citation to the references you use to show that lack
of comparative functionality was still being debated *three* releases down
the KDE3 road.
(still just shaking my head in utter disbelief, with a dry chuckle of
solemnity...) Beware the ives of Mandrake...
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
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Or in a southern drool (What We Have Here Is A Failure To Communicate) and
it's about certain people that are n o doubt reading this got there bone idol
rear ends into gear and got with some sanity but of course we are about the
only what 12 or so people that still use and need KDE 3.5.x because 4.x.x is
Well when it all ends up with opensuse dying we can quite safley and rightly
turn around to that bunch of certain people and string em up (they know who
they are with the Germanic attitude) (not all are the same thankfully)
I think baisically they ARE Trying to compete with microShafT to see who can
force the biggest crap heap onto their users not seen windBloWs 7 yet so i
cant say but u guess they aint far from the top of the heap right now .
Opensuse 10.3 x86_64 (Linux is like a wigwam no Gates, no Windows, and an
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