Re: [opensuse] Upgrading KDE4 on 11.1

Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 23:30:10 schrieb Peter Nikolic:
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2009 21:00:43 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2009 21:51:39 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Peter Nikolic said the following on 07/08/2009 03:44 PM:
Well lets have a list of the correct repo's TO set up it is all very
well comming out with a comment but when it is empty what use is it
where is the list of correct repos that will solve the huge list of
dependency hell , Can you produce such a list can you tell us where
such a list exists we cant all just magic a list out of the air we
are not all miracle workers some of us are mere mortals

Rather more bluntly put than I would have phrased it, but yes, that's
about it. Saying "Well it works for me" isn't that far ahead of the
old "I'm all right, Jack".

Sorry that I tried to help you, I do already regret it.

Well instead of say i regret it and disapearing into a shell again hows
about telling us mere mortals the magic list of repos or is that some big
secret only for the chosen few < sorry if you dont like my tone but i get
more than a little hacked of when all we get are half answers with no real
help or assistance if you were in my shoes you would react exactly the same
,

No I would not, simply because I would not start the way you do. Please don't
assume that others would show the same kind of behaviour and attitude as you
do. There is a huge difference between just asking for help and implying with
every comment that the other person is looking down on those asking for help
and similar allegations regarding opensuse or the KDE4 devs.

If you really wanted help, you would show some initiative and provide
information that enables others to help you, you would do some research and
ask on forums, IRC etc. Maybe somebody else is willing to help people with
your attitude and history of talking to me. As OSS, helping is something
people do in their free time and voluntarily, if you do not appreciate that
and do your bit, you get it all wrong. David and me had some very unfriendly
conversations in the past, yet I still try to help him if there is something I
can answer. So it's not the way that I take people's criticism personally,
it's just that you don't get how the ping pong that leads to help works.
Instead you continue with your allegations and implications.

I tried to help Anton and Michael, e.g. by pointing out where the gps package
can be found or explaining why the kdebase4-workspace dependency could not be
met for kaffeine, implying that my answers on this thread were just empty is
another of your false allegations.

We aint all got crystal balls (of either sort) so a little guidence in the
correct direction works wonders where as useless quips just get peoples
backs up hence the comments you take offence at , Maybe i am the only one
with the balls to say it out loud so be it but i rather feel i speak for a
considerable number of people that maybe are not quite as direct as i am
thats part of being me maybe thats the result of my Maceadonian father and
my Irish French mother who knows .

It's rather that if you want people to help you, you should think about your
attitude and treat them in a way that motivates them to help you. If until now
nobody helped you with your KDE4 issues, maybe you should start to think if
you are doing something wrong.

And please do not confuse being direct with offending. Offending people and
making allegations takes no balls at all. Direct would mean that you skip your
allegations and implications and just state the problem. Instead you started
with your indians and chiefs adding nothing useful to this thread. To apply
double standards is really a pain.

Sven
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