Re: [opensuse] 11.2 a big step backwards?

On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:52:45 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Tuesday 23 of February 2010, Rodney Baker wrote:
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:55:00 Charles Obler wrote:
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From: Larry Stotler <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>
To: opensuse@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 9:41:14 AM
Subject: Re: [opensuse] 11.2 a big step backwards?

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The KDE team may realize how much stuff they
removed was actually used at some point.

They didn't *remove* anything. When you start with a completely blank
canvas there is nothing to remove, only to add. If anything is missing it
is because it hasn't been coded and tested yet! KDE4 <> KDE3. As I
understand it there is basically nothing common between the two except
the name and the developers.

And you understand it wrong. And I've already explained that once, in this
very thread.

Really, what is the purpose of this thread when even people who actively
make it go on and on do not read it anyway? If all you want is just to
talk and talk and not listen, talking to a wall should do as well, without
wasting time and annoying the rest of people on this list.

That is the sort of attitude that gets others off-side, Lubos. In case you
misunderstood my point, I was *defending* KDE4 and the developers. It seems
that was lost on you. If I wasn't clear enough and you misunderstood, please
accept my apologies.


OK, I've vented my frustration and I feel better now :-). Time to move
on.

How thoughtful and nice of you. You now feel better and many people on
this list feel worse because they had to get over nonsense thread. Let's
just everybody do this. Oh wait, that's what already happens.

My frustration is with those who whinge and complain without constructively
contributing to the project, not with those who actively contribute by
testing, submitting bug reports, providing useful feedback etc. and generally
try to assist in ensuring that KDE4 achieves its potential. I could name
several on this list who are in the latter category, but I'm sure I don't need
to...


For the next time, a better place to vent your frustration is for example
working in your garden, doing a sport or seeing a psychoanalyst. This place
is a user mailing list and it's no wonder it's such a horrible dump when so
many people here fail to realize what it is and it is not for.

And comments like this from developers to those who seek to defend them
against (IMHO unjustified) criticism doesn't help build good-will between
developers and users either.

FWIW, I think the KDE devs are doing a great job with KDE4. I've been using it
since it was first included in openSUSE as 4.0.4 (at that stage alongside 3.5)
and exclusively since 4.3.1 (or maybe even before that, I can't remember
exactly when I stopped using 3.5). I might not use every feature in 4.4 and
there are some I can definitely do without (like strigi/nepomuk and other such
desktop indexing and searching utilities) but I can see the value in them for
others so you won't find me complaining about them. Disabling them is easy if
they're not needed.

Having recently had need to use MacOSX for a few hours (because it was the
only thing available) I'd say 4.4 compares pretty favourably with that; in
fact, if I hadn't used 4.3 and 4.4 prior to jumping onto the Mac, it would
have taken me a lot longer to get done what I needed to get done on it because
it is so radically different than KDE 3.5 or Windoze.

Keep up the good work (and try to be nice to those who are sticking up for
you, even if you don't think you need it).

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