Re: [opensuse] SAMBA.
- From: HG <hg.list@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:14:06 +0300
On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:48 PM, John Andersen <jsamyth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 4/7/2012 9:30 AM, HG wrote:
Stumbled across this about SAMBA authentication and windows
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:39 PM, jsa <jsamyth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If you set your windows login and password the same as your
Linux log in and password Samba and windows just takes care if
it automatically. �If not you have to set up samba passwords for
every user. In the time it takes to ask about setting up an insecure
network you could have done it the secure way with yast.
Yes, if you have the same user name as in windows and same password,
you will not need to enter them in windows even once I think, as
Windows will try those by default.
However, what has been nagging me always is why is the SAMBA
authentication separate from the general linux authentication (I don't
know the correct word, sorry)? Why not have that synced, so that when
user changes her password on the linux server, also the samba password
changes. And even earlier on, why not have that linked with
samba-users group or something, so that the users who are in that
group would be able to use samba (same way as ssh)?
Yes, I know all this can be done! But it is really, really hard. Ok,
I'm still on 11.3 so I'm not sure if this has changed :-) But it has
at least been really hard. Why not make this easy for openSUSE home
users? This is really the worst parts of setting up a home server.
Have user click "Enable Samba" somewhere in YaST and it would do all
this. Would be excellent. Any real good reason why not to do this?
The reason this isn't automated from the Linux side like you suggest
is because that is not the normal use case for Samba.
The normal use for Samba is to allow your Linux machine to be a file/print
server for windows machines, in many (i dare say Most) case those windows
users don't even have an account on the linux machine.
This may have been the situation some day - but I dare to claim that
it's not it anymore. In fact, I've never seen such use actually. Small
companies, who look for cheaper alternatives, use samba as their file
server. Larger companies go with MS and they do not mix. Yes, you can
probably give examples of companies that do what you say. I claim that
it doesn't even matter that much.
What matters, and what I think is the biggest use case, is to make
linux act as a server at home! Coolest, would be to enable it to work
as private cloud sharing docs securely over the internet! If home
server use case is not yet the biggest, it could be made the biggest.
The future of openSUSE as desktop only has been very long coming. I'm
proposing, let's make it easy for normal home users to get also server
functionality, to backup their Windows and Mac laptops to the
dependable linux, and make that as one of the biggest selling points.
People are buying NAS storage like crazy and you could do so much more
with openSUSE .... if it would just work.
But from the home users point of view, samba server doesn't work. (As
seen even in this thread). And that's why I propose that the linux
account would be synced to the samba accounts. It would make the whole
system accessible. It does not hurt the print sharing one bit. And why
not have the same users (specially at home) on the linux side also?
Actually, there is a UI for adding users to linux and most often that
is done during the installation. But there is AFAIK no easy way for
the dad to add users to samba specially as he doesn't even know he
needs to do that.
Currently, when you create a linux user and give it a password. Then
you create the same user for samba and give it a password. And when
user changes the password, he needs to make it twice - probably from
different place. I don't believe it needs LDAP. But if it does, fine -
as long as it is completely hidden from the user. And no, it
definitely does not need a domain. Actually, making user join to
domain, would be again one more hurdle for the home user to just go
about his business of using Linux as it can be used.
I know here are lot of guys who are very smart and know how to do this
and it would not even be a big project. But do you really not see the
opportunity in home servers? Think about it: "Desktop computer that
you can use to safely surf the internet, hold all your photos and
videos and share them to all your devices inside your home network.
Host backups of your laptop. Just install, add the same user accounts
you have on your laptops and everything works. Even streams your
videos to your TV." Now, that would be more value for home user than
Libre Office :-) Yes, Libre Office is cool! But it's time to make the
server side easy too.
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