Re: [opensuse] Still wanting to upgrade to 12.1 ..............

On 4/24/2012 2:07 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-04-24 19:37, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012/04/24 19:16 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

For a tester, I can't disagree, or for an ordinary bug. Systemd trouble is
no ordinary bug, while the OP certainly seems to be no willing tester.
Systemd is a whole class of bugs like KDE4.0-4.5 was, betaware foisted on
users prematurely. Ordinary mortal users who need their systems to just
work don't need and shouldn't be bothered by major system overhauls that
are incomplete, unless the devs' goal is to get them to switch to some
other distro.

You need to be.

Need to be what?

bothered.
You need to be involved and report.

You probably should read the whole thread, including the subject, when
you're fully conscious.

I did, and I'm fully conscious. What are you pointing at? That I'm drunk or
under narcotics effects?

That's not very polite of you. :-/

I'm not the OP.

But you are defending that the OP do not report. I defend that any body
having any problem with systemd report it. ANY problem, one by tedious one.

And Felix was saying quite rightly that no the user does not have to do that. They can use some other distro.

If enough people find systemd objectionable there will be at least one distro somewhere that either uses sysv by default, or at least maintains it as a working alternative.

suse is only suse, not all of linux. Heck even within the limited scope of suse, evergreen or the evergreen version of os 12.1 or 12.2 will have to have it for as long as that's kept around so there's a suse option for quite a while yet let alone other distros.

If users were clamoring for systemd then it would be reasonable to say "hey if you want systemd so bad you can at least help debug it."
But the users aren't clamoring for systemd are they? No are they clamoring for features that requires systemd so they're not even demanding it indirectly without knowing it.

No, a few developers and distro maintainers want it, and a very few users who are in a position to even care about such things, and they are just railroading it in.

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