Re: eclipse-pydev: New upstream release 1.3.13 avaible

Kristian Rink wrote:

Derek Broughton schrieb:

Whatever happened to the concept of reuse? If Eclipse (and others)
would just use .deb formats, it would be a perfect world and
we'd all be happy (not to mention rich & beautiful).

Rich? Not talking 'bout beautiful, guess I missed something in here. ;)
But I guess it's not just about the .deb format, after all. From that
point of view, I guess the Eclipse approach is rather sane - provide a
common packaging system that is available on all platforms supported by
the IDE, including those featuring a rather strict package management
themselves (recent Linux distributions, maybe excluding
Slackware/Zenwalk) on one side, some proprietary Unices and MS Windows
(not talking about Microsoft Installer) on the other. Plus, considering
Java to be a platform (thus operating system) independent technology,
having a platform independent packaging format for Java seems a good
thing.

My point being that there's nothing "platform dependent" about apt - eclipse
could have packaged all their bits as .debs, and installed them with java
just as easily as using their own system (probably _more_ easily). Of
course, technically, it wouldn't have to use .deb, but we all know that any
other system would be Not Ideal.

Well, guess I'd better stop here, not to end up ranting all day and nite
about the shortcomings and inconveniences of OSGi, JSR 277, the NetBeans
module format, META-INF'ed .jar files, maven poms and the (so far)
inability of the Java world to actually create an interoperable,
generally approved standard of how to package and distribute code as
reusable modules... :/

That of course is the whole problem. There's nothing technically impossible
about making _all_ software distribution and packaging interoperable - even
considering different platforms. After all, Debian & Ubuntu package up
everything for many platforms, and they don't interfere with each other.
It would just take the will of everybody to get together and do it.

--
derek


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