Re: Evolution's crazy habit with moving an e-mail to a folder !?

Hi Mario,
Thanks for your concerns and feedbacks !


On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 16:14 +0100, Mario Vukelic wrote:
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 22:35 +0800, SYNass IT Ubuntu / Linux wrote:
After reading e-mails in the INbox they go TRASH or get stored
systematically !

Do I understand correctly that after you read an email in the Inbox, you
either delete it, or move it to some folder for storage?

YES, generally ALL mails come to INbox, where I do check and read
it ! ;-)


With deleting they go TRASH directly and aren't visible anymore except
in TRASH !!

Yeah. It seems to me that this is expected: when I delete an email, I
_want it to end up in the Trash.

Sure !


With "deleted e-mails NOT hiding" they are still visible in the INbox
and disturb me !!!

Yeah, well, do enable the "Hide deleted messages" option, then. In an
other reply you said it _is enabled, so how can the deleted and
therefore invisible messages disturb you?

YEAH, as I already wrote: "Hide deleted messages" is ALWAYS on !! ;-))


To get them thrown out of the INbox one more step is necessary to EMPTY
the INbox !! ;-)

No. If you have "hide deleted messages" on, they are not visible after
you delete them. And from the Evolution Help, "Deleting Mail":

2nd time: "Hide delete messages" is always on !! ;-))


"Evolution allows you to delete unwanted messages. To delete a message,
select it and press the Delete key, or click the delete tool in the
toolbar, press Ctrl+D, or right-click the message, then click Delete.

Too trivial ! Sure !! So do I ;-D


When you press Delete or click the Trash folder, your mail is not
actually deleted, but is marked for deletion. Your e-mail is recoverable
until you have expunged your mail. When you expunge a folder, you remove
all the mail that you have marked for deletion.To show deleted messages,
uncheck Hide Deleted Messages option from the View menu. You can view
the messages striken off for later deletion. You can also find deleted
messages in your Trash folder.

Exactly !
In these mess I do have to doublecheck in TRASH to find possible
errorously deleted mails !! ;-|
Just to avoid any errors I may have done !!! ;-)))


To permanently erase all the deleted messages in a folder, click Folder
Expunge or press Ctrl+E.

Sure !


Trash folders in GroupWise, local and IMAP accounts are actually virtual
search folders that display all messages you have marked for later
deletion. Hence, emptying Trash is nothing but expunging deleted mails
from all your folders in the account.

Sure !


However, this is not true for the Trash folder on Exchange servers,
which behaves just the same as it does in Outlook. It is a normal folder
with actual messages in it. For more information about search folders,
see Using Search Folders."

Win stuff is absolutely not used here in general ! ;-)


You also can make Evolution empty the Trash automatically, in the
Preferences -> Mail Settings -> tab General.

Some automatism are helpful when everthing works properly and well ! ;-)
Myself I am still discovering, learning and optimizing my (Ubuntu)
skills and its usability !! -))
I knew but automatism isn't appreciated for this time.


Generally I like Evolution's concept but these few thing's are more
confusing me !! ;-D

;-| One thing disturbs me extremely !!!
;-| ! If copy / move an email, ie. yours to
ITC/SW/Linux/Ubuntu/Evolution ...
;-| ... I do not want to have it in TRASH too !!
;-| I really dislike this because it's more troublesome than helpful !


As I said elsewhere, this behavior is common and exists to speed up mail
deletion on remote mail folders. If you are sifting through a lot of
mail, deleting as you go, you don't want to have the email client
communicate with the server over the network for every email you delete,
which is would be necessary if the email was "really" deleted. Instead,
the client just marks them for later deletion (and hides them if you
have the setting on as you should in most cases). Then you can "really"
delete them in one go, using Expunge Folder or Empty Trash, when the
additional slowdown does not bother you.

Well understood and not the topic here ! ;-)
it's a simple POP conection and the dealing with the messages to be
deleted or stored then !!


Clear? To be honest, I don't know why I have to explain that all so
laboriously to someone "with more than 35 years in IT" who is "no
greenhorn nor newbie ". Lotus Notes, for example, behaves more or less
the same way.

How ???
You made it so laboriously !!! ;-|

BTW: I am not a freaky fellow alwayst tuning and tweaking the stuff and
do not forget: as Ubuntu Administrator / User I may be the eldest
greenhorn here ;-D

As for Lotus Notes I cannot prove you wrong because I am not on the most
accurate releases myself and what I use and used I can proof:
YOU are really wrong !!! ;-(((

Lotus does NOT copy / move via TRASH !!!
NONE of the more than a dozen mailers I already know does it !!

Sorry, to say so and I hope it doesn't sound too harsh as
I cannot tell it more sophisticated because English isn't my native
language. ;-)

However, thanks for your very elaborate efforts and feedback.
Cheers, svobi


BTW, and somewhat my conclusion:
IT is sooo simple !
Everthing works with 0 / zeros or 1 /one !!
So, Evolution shall do 0/zero just TRASH the respective mail !!!
or, Evolution shall do 1/one thing: Just copy / move respective mail to
given folder / location !!!
;-D


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