Re: 8.04 networking seems awfully broken.



Grant Edwards wrote:
I keep reading reviews about how Ubuntu "just works", so I
decided to give it a try by installing Ubuntu 8.04 as an
alternative OS on a laptop belonging to somebody who normally
uses Windows, but would be willing to give Linux a try.

I'd have to say that the networking support seems to quite a
mess (at least compared to other distros I use):


Which other distros have you loaded on this computer?


1) There's a daemon called avahi-autoipd that keeps starting
up and f*&king up the network configuration. I configured
the interfaces to use DHCP. That means that if there's no
response from a DHCP server, then keep trying until there
_is_ a response from a DHCP server. I don't recall
checking a box that said "only use DHCP until you get
bored and want to pull an IP address out of your ass".


You seem to have an issue with the loader software. Was it too
simple for an expert like yourself? As I recall the network part of the
loader was preset and you just hit Enter and go on.
I've never seen even a single network that uses link-local
IP discovery. I'm sure it's cool in theory, but why
that's enabled by default is beyond understanding.


Well don't stop there. Explain what link-local IP discovery is? I
didn't know Hardy had any.

Disabling it in the services applet doesn't help either --
you've got to fire up a terminal window and apt-get remove
the package.


Now that is a really stupid thing to do!

2) Firmware for the the wireless chipset had to be manually
downloaded, extracted (using a utility that had to be
built from a source tarball), and copied into
/lib/firmware.


Which chipset would that be?
3) I've configured the wireless interface to use WPA, but
wpa_supplicant doesn't start on boot-up. You've got to
fire up a terminal and do "/etc/init.d/network restart" to
get wpa_supplicant running.


Yes and that is really hard to do isn't it. Poor boy.
4) Once wpa_supplicant is running, the network management
applet seems incapable of configuring wpa_supplicant with
the password. It's unable to associate until one fires up
a terminal, starts wpa_cli, and sets the password
manually.


Gosh a password too? What kind of WiFi are you stealing? Maybe this
is the whole problem. If you had just loaded Hardy and rebooted and did
the little easy things and then let it just sit turned on for 30
minutes, it might have just started working. Mine did.
End result: a waste of about 8 hours of my time and a black eye
for Linux.


From my experience with Hardy it had zero problem with the network.
On this computer it found the ethernet card and worked. On my laptop it
loaded and after a few minutes it discovered WiFi and worked.


Karl

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