Re: Ubuntu second hard drive was Windows partition

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Mark Haney wrote:

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:07:09 -0400
From: Mark Haney <mhaney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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Subject: Re: Ubuntu second hard drive was Windows partition

Karl Larsen wrote:
Mark Haney wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:

Mark Haney wrote:

Karl Larsen wrote:


Doug Pollard wrote:


Excuse me I am not making any sense this morning. This is a second hard
drive that auto mounts but has no permissions. I need info on how to
give permissions.

Thanks Doug




A hard drive does not have permissions. It has partitions that may
have owners and passwords depending on the type. A Windows partition is
not password anything :-)


Karl




I don't think either of you are making sense.

Doug, if you are automounting a second drive, it's possible the drive is
mounted Read only. An 'ls -l' output of the mounted drive would be
/really/ helpful here.

There are a couple of reasons this could be.

One, the drive is now unformatted, meaning no partitions or filesystems
on it. That of course would mean it wouldn't mount at all, but it's
worth mentioning.

Two, /if/ the drive has windows on it (I couldn't find the rest of this
thread so I don't have a clue if the subject line is accurate or not)
then it's probably an NTFS partition. I don't know if Ubuntu ships with
ntfs-3g by default, but I know the ntfs driver I still use is Read-only.
That would explain the fact that it mounts but there are no
'permissions' on it. It's only readable.

If ntfs-3g does come default in ubuntu, you can probably mount the
partition as RW by editing /etc/fstab. Can you post that for us as well?

However, I don't recommend mounting NTFS as RW even with ntfs-3g. MS is
notorious for altering NTFS in tiny ways even across Service Packs and
makes life interesting when trying to write from linux.

If the drive doesn't have anything critical on it, I would just fdisk it
and format it with a linux filesystem (ext3 is a good one for general use).

Please, post the additional info and let us look at it to help you out.




Guys STOP!!! You never ever mount a hard drive. You mount a
PARTITION on a hard drive using /etc/fstab or mount -t ext3 ext.

Now get it in your heads that it is a partition you mount.

Karl



You know, I've been doing this a LONG time. I've forgotten more about
computers than you'll probably ever know. So let me say this loud and
clear:

WE KNOW THAT. We're not idiots. However, 99 times out of 100 the
partition encompasses the entire drive, therefore, it's safe to say
'mounting the drive'. That, by default means the partition spans the
entire drive.

Picking nits like this does nothing but take up bandwidth. It is
UNDERSTOOD that you mount the partition.

Please, I implore you. Stop with the inane, asinine and just plain
pointless remarks. If you've got nothing to ADD to the conversation,
then don't add anything at all. I would most of us on this list are
rather sick of correcting you time and again.

Or, in this case, just telling you to shut up. I hate being such a rude
person, but get a grip man. This thread was over had you paid
attention, Doug got the DRIVE mounted before you even sent this message.

Unless and until you have anything relevant to add to the list I'm
filtering all messages from you. As far as I can tell that will save a
ton of wasted bandwidth.

I really try to help people, but some people REFUSE to be helped.




Well if you would just use the PROPER words for what your doing it
would make it easier for us who have not forgot what you MIGHT have
known. Your a sorry case for an expert when you do not know how to write.

Karl



Do not know how to write? Are you serious? This isn't about writing,
it's about understanding the basics. Those things that are simply
understood. I had no idea I needed to spell it out. Everyone else on
this list knew what we meant.

And believe me, my friend, while I never claim 'expert' status, I've
done this a long time. If you can't understand what we're saying, we'll
be glad to clarify, but when it's obvious that everyone else understands
my meaning (and, indeed, everyone else's part of this thread), then I
see no reason to explain it like I'm talking to a 5 year old.

As far as I could see, this thread was moving along just fine until you
interrupted with your inane 'you mount a partition, not a drive' post.
It was unnecessary on all kinds of levels to post that.

Again, this goes back to respect and manners. You refuse to listen, or
to learn and so my respect (and manners) stop at your door. You've been
on these lists for a couple of years now and should know what to say and
not to say.

As I said, if you have nothing relevant to the conversation, don't post.
It's that simple. If you do, fine. If not, don't. Do I need to
spell that out for you any better?




Mark,

As you said yourself; if you don't have anything useful to post, then
don't.

So stop filling my inbox with your useless banter. Take it out of the
list!

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