Re: JEOS LAMP Server - 8.04LTS or 9.10?

On May 5, 2009, at 11:15 PM, NoOp wrote:

While long an advocate for LTS, I'd add that it is a serious pain to
transition/upgrade from an LTS to a non-LTS later on. There seriously
needs to be an upgrade application that will allow someone to do this.
Example: just upgrading from hardy 8.04 to Jaunty 9.04 is a two day
process for a single machine. I am in the process of updating several,
and on my primary hardy machine (2.4Ghz/1GB ram) just going from hardy
to intrepid has been an all day process (still not finished); I
started
around 10:00 this morning, it's now 21:00, and I am just now getting
to
the nvidia driver install so that I can change the video to a
reasonable
screen resolution. Not to mention that I have to train the user how to
restart the machine using System|Shut Down instead of clicking the
little green guy who seems to have lost his viagra and only provides
'Log out' and 'Switch user' options. Tomorrow will be: 1) fixing
intrepid so that I can upgrade to jaunty, 2) spending yet another day
(at least) upgrading to jaunty.

NoOp,

Were you using the LTS version for a server installation, or desktop?
I can't quite tell from your post. I would definitely say that if
you're using it in a desktop role, that going with the non-LTS release
would probably be more advisable. I was recommending LTS purely for a
server role. Most IT houses generally like to wait a little longer
between release upgrades, so the non-LTS's 6-month release cycle is a
little too frequent for them, even if you do extend it out to the 18
months that Charlie mentioned. Smaller shops could probably get away
with this, but larger shops would probably be reluctant. Good point
about moving from LTS to non-LTS, though.

As a side-note, I'm running a couple of servers here on Intrepid that
I'll be upgrading to Jaunty in the near future. I'll actually be
doing an upgrade (as opposed to a wipe and install). Any caveats
you've run across while upgrading? I know you're upgrading LTS
versions, but there might be some relevant "gotchas" to look out for.
In the past, I've only done wipe and install, as I find it to be the
cleanest and least problematic upgrade route.


Bottom line (IMO) is to *only* do LTS if you don't plan to do any
further application upgrades until the next LTS. Also, only do it if
you
can tolerate having software that is months/years out of date (OOo,
etc)
with minimal security updates. LTS is of course there for a reason -
stability. But just keep in mind that sometimes 'stability' is like
buying an old reliable car; it may run forever, but somehow lacks
features that come out in later models: airbags, updated seatbelts
(you
get the lap belt instead of intelligent shoulder harnesses), disk
brakes, in dash blue-tooth toothbrush & hair brush, etc.

Again, I would definitely agree with this for desktop / workstation
use, or on a server where you're using a desktop environment as well.
I think it's less applicable to a single or limited purpose server
installation. For that, you really want the stability and longer
usability window that LTS affords you.

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