Re: [ADMIN] Additional moderator(s) sought for ubuntu-users list - clarifications

On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:47:26 +0200
Oliver Grawert <ogra@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

And all this time people were made to believe that their interests
were being looked after and promoted by Canonical's "Community
Council" when 'they' were plotting all the time to shutdown this
venue.
people were also asked to participate in the council meetings about
the issues with sounder... iirc only noop and amendee showed up at the
meeting where sounder shutdown was actually discussed, even though
there was a notification mail to this list back then.

Really? That's very misleading and possibly intentionally. What about
this from Samuel Thurston (full backtrack available from the Sounder
archives):

Quoted Sounder mail follows:
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On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Paul Sladen <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011, Samuel Thurston wrote:
that this item would be brought up at the next community meeting

This was not my understanding.  Of course you are free as anyone else
to bring a topic to the Ubuntu Community Council:  (it's a wiki)

I have already reposted the mail where pope confirmed that moving the
timeslot would put it at may 3. I have not reposted the link where he
said he would move the time to 2100, but he did in fact say he was
going to do it.


 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda

I say this because I feel

Your personal feelings are no excuse for making unfounded, presumptive
or baseless statements towards others.  Please keep it to the facts.

My statements are well founded, documented and have a basis in
reality. You seem to disagree but only on the assumption that I
should not have taken pope on his word.


The transcript of the Ubuntu Community Council IRC meeting shows the
lengths to which one particular member of the CC went to raise the
suggestion of carrying the item over:

He didn't suggest carrying the item over, he suggested it be discussed
at BOTH times rather than the time he said he intended to move it to.
Which, as we have been told (repeatedly), the CC can't be bothered to
do.


 http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/19/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t12:18

I call foul on the entire CC.

Perhaps I've missed your IRC nickname in the IRC transcript.  Was
there a point that you had raised during the discussion and which you
feel was ignored or overlooked?


I was misled about the time of the meeting. Had I known that this
would be the one and only discussion time I would have absolutely been
there.... I've already invested an unreasonable amount of time in
researching the character of the list's content and getting a feel for
how it should be handled, not to show up.

Now you can say "oh you can look at the wiki" and I can say to you, if
someone tells me something that is not true, and I fail to go and look
it up elsewhere to confirm, does that mean the person did not mislead
me in the first place?

Perhaps you think I should believe that two incorrect statements of
date were "accidentally" posted to the list, by the person motioning
for its shutting at the CC?

And maybe I'm just being paranoid that the outline I specifically
asked Pope to present was not presented, but that one of my statements
was twisted to seem in support of closing the list?
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End quoted Sounder mail

Will we be similarly mislead about the closing of -users? I wouldn't
be at all surprised.

Cybe R. Wizard
--
When Windows are opened the bugs come in.
Winduhs

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