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Date: 12/17/03
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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:06:33 -0500
To: Roxanne Kedge <missroxanner@excite.com>
Re: Debian 3.0r1 Warning, Comments & Questions 1/2
By: Roxanne Kedge <missroxanner@excite.com> to alt.linux on Wed Dec 17 2003 06:10 am
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> Debian 3.0r1 Warning, Comments & Questions 1/2
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> This Part one mostly "Warning and Comments".
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> After two days of installing and reinstalling I have been able run Debian
> 3.0r1 and all basic things are working...
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> I just wanted to warn debian's new user, please DO NOT say yes to "security
> update" it's a hoax!
Why? They are updates to the current distro... such as if there is a hole in
Sendmail, the "Security Update" has the latest version... quick and easy fix.
Now, if you don't do this, then you are responsible for your own system. And I
hope you know how to install your own updates/fixes/patches etc...
> Once I was able to install debian and I allowed it (debian installation) to
> update security "whatever that is" someone hacked into my computer right
> after update! and it was because of security update. I repeat DO NOT update
> security. If worst come to worst just reinstall debian or switch to red-hat
> base distro or "cd-run knoppix". Either way that's what I recommend.
How about giving us some details on how this supposed person hacked into your
system, and how you are positive it was because of some security update? I
Highly doubt you were hacked into at all. I've been using the "Security
Update" since its inception. Not one single hack attempt attributed to it.
I'm also starting to hazard a guess here that you are not familiar with Linux
at all.
> Has anyone notice stupidity in debian installation design? Once my network
> card & sound card was configured using vanilla kernel. I had to chmod a+rw
> /dev/dsp so gui (Gnome & KDE) could use it. I am sure most of debian
> supremacist will flame me rather Adam & Linus who are professional lunatic.
> And why can't they just give user a table which asks question regarding
> following 7 cd just click (a la mandrake & redhat) and if you have
> additional but in cd-rom or something, put them cd-rom...
Oh please... I'm not a Debian whatever your calling them. But flaming is due.
If you are poping off this attitude over Debian, why did you even try it? Why
didn't you stay with your mandrake and redhat? Can you you say security for
the /dev/dsp? Again, you have to know Linux to understand this, and you do
not.
> I hate to tell most linux user but it's not "difficult" it's just stupid
> the way it is design and picking "1000s packages/applications" is
> preposterous. There is no search in (not in a normal way) or properly
> organized. And there is not properly update or install addiotional packet
> software (like conectiva, mandrake etc..) once you have installed linux
> (i'm not talk about non apt gui app).
So, lemme guess, you went through the task selector and used the deselect...
There are 2 programs for selecting your packages... you can use one or the
other or both... You of course used the harder, more interactive deselect. As
for no search... of course not... you have to KNOW what your doing to use
Debian. As for updating and installing additional packages... I guess you
don't know how to use a tarball. Debian is not like Conectiva, Mandrake or any
of the other main packages... Geez... someone didn't do their homework.
> In anycase I'm very angry the way my computer was hack precisely when I
> allowed security.debian.org to update Don't make any mistake like I did. If
> you are using other distro just stick with them or built a custom linux
> cause most distros are becoming SCO, Evil Suse, and insane.... Debian
> 3.0r1 is using konquer 2.2.2 and Gnome doesn't work well either and there
> are other problems. Don't ever update your operating system due to security
> specially when media tell you to do so.. Unless you are one of thoese who
> are downloading illegal 700mb of movies, apps and mp3 garbage....
Again, I would like to see some information about this supposed hack. But
after reading your entire post... I can understand why too. Go back to RedHat
where you belong... your complaint about the 2.2.2 konquer and Gnome are
baseless and worthless.. Because you have no clue you are attempting to advise
others? All that we see is a clueless, unknowing, idiot. Spouting off
untruths and false acusations.
> Once again don't let's yourself be abuse by Security Hoax's. Reason why
> Windows User are having "security problem" is that they are downloading
> divx/xvid 700mb of movies and mp3 and apps and I suspect most linux user
> are doing same thing. If you are not like them then just don't update.
> Learn how to make a firewall and configure it in a way so it can tell you
> which apps is trying to access the internet, who is trying to hack & ping
> etc.... By the way I spent 2 days learning how to install debian properly
> and I can safely say don't listen to those idiots (a la Cnet, Znet and
> other evil media) they are lying, Security update creates more holes which
> allow hackers to get in much easily. Don't just take my word for it do your
> own research about these security hoaxs!.
Wwindows users having "Security Problems" are because they dont do the updates.
The recent occurances proved this. M$ came out with the DCOM patch/fix in
their update site. So, all those that patched their systems were not hit by
the mblaster and sister virus's... whereas the rest of the world... did. What
occured, someone found this hole... they posted it in Bugtrak, M$ releases a
patch that fixes this exploit. Now, a month after this release of a patch from
M$ someone wrote a script using the knowledge from Bugtrak. Everyone that did
not do the update were basically wide open and were hit. So, who are the
stupid ones here? As for your spending 2 days to learn how to install debian
properly. You didn't learn a thing. And I can safely say that the Security
updates <as you refer to them> are a great benifit, and the most useful of all
the flavors of Linux. Everything that CNet, Znet etc said is true and you are
the only Idiot I see here. As for your word, I hope that no one takes you for
anthing but a raving lunitic. You should have done more research, but I highly
doubt that you could find your way out of a box, so, don't bother doing any
more research, just wipe out the computer you just installed, and put your M$
product back on it, or better yet, box the thing up and send it back to the
manufacture, because you are too stupid to even own a computer.
You are a troll and I have finished with you.
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