Re: Filesystem Question

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:11:17 -0700

Mutant wrote:

> Matt_left_coast wrote:
>
>> Mutant earlier>
>>> Matt_left_coast wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mudisappearte:
>>>>
>>>>> Matt_left_coast wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> .... snip....
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still here. Did you say something?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, obviously you have no real response to what I have said.
>>>
>>> More of the same.....
>>
>> Yes, I often repeat the truth.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Without the journaling files being written at the time of a crash will
>>>> probably be corupt and data would be lost, this is the nature of a
>>>> non-journaling file system like ext2.
>>>
>>> So are you saying...."run a journaled system and *when* you crash ( just
>>> HOW likely is this by the way? )
>>
>> Once is enough. Would you tell someone not to back up their system
>> because a crash is not likely?????? I think not.
>
>
> Yea yea yea one death IS TOO MANY.

That is right. the same reasons you backup are the same reasons you would
want to protect the data with a journal file system.

>

>
> I'm gonna cut this and paste it in my editor so that in the event of a
> crash it'll save what I am working on. Cause as it is right now... the
> shit is toast.
>

meaningless bable. It would not be tost because it is alread archived on
usenet, guess you are to stupid to understand that usenet and writing to a
drive are two different things.

>>
>> In the event of a crash, the journaling file system DOES reduce your
>> recovery time DRASTICLY. ext2 on a large file system can take HOURS to
>> recover, no business wants their systems down for hours. I don't what my
>> desktop to take hours to recover. Not when a jornaling file system can
>> the system back up and running in a mater of minutes. From the link I
>> posted before:
>>
>> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/archives/LXF25.tut_ext3.pdf
>>
>> begin quote
>>
>> In this way, in the unlucky event of an unclean shutdown the file system
>> recovery process passes through the analysis of the journal and usually
>> takes a few seconds, even on large disks, while it can take some hours
>> with the traditional fsck (file system check) of the ext2 file system.
>> For that reason, journaling is mainly important where after an unclean
>> shutdown the system must be back on track as soon as possible, but can
>> save quite a bit of time even for the desktop.
>>
>
> Get rid of that shit I mentioned earlier et al and watch your system
> "crashes" disappear.

So you are saying ALL system crashes are related to ext3?????? I don't think
so. Please provide SPECIFIC proof of instablility of ext3.

> This line of thought reminds me of a doctor
> prescribing a pill to take care of the ill effects of another pill he has
> prescribed. If you want to.... hey!
>

I see no relationship.

>
>
>>> Cause that's what
>>> I'm reading. And yet that can't be what you are asking cause it ain't
>>> true.
>>>
>>
>> Prove it. I have supplied documentation in suport of my claims, can you
>> do the same for yours, or are you going to just keep crying?
>>
>
> http://www.slashdot.org search "filesystem" "file systems"
>

If you can't find specific facts to back up your claims, I'm not going to
look. Provide specific proof to back up your claims.

>
>
>
>>>>
>>>> Read and learn:
>>>
>>> That is exactly how I've learned all that I know... if you don't count
>>> poddy training.
>>
>> I see you can not actualy address the points in the article.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/archives/LXF25.tut_ext3.pdf
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet all you can do is cry about "company line" without supplying
>>>> ANYTHING to show were the "company line" is faulty or wrong. Put up or
>>>> shut up.
>>>
>>> Cry? I just here.... now.... helping my open source brothers!
>>
>> So, why can't you address the points rasied with supporting, factual
>> documentation? Do you anything that supports your claim.
>>
>>>
>>> What is your purpous (sp) here?
>>
>> The truth.
>>
>
>
> Not with that talk.

Yeah, your unsuported claims dose muttle the truth, but it does give the
rest of us the oportunity to get the true facts out:

http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/archives/LXF25.tut_ext3.pdf
http://puggy.symonds.net/~rajesh/howto/ext3/ext3-2.html

No flawed analogyies about doctors and pills form me!

>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Peace -
>>> Mutant
>
>
>
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