Re: Video editing in Linux?

From: SjT (NOT_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 10/28/04 

Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:41:57 GMT

I'm with stupid ---> Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> wrote:

>And all too often there is not. if you have the source and NEED a fix
>that no-one else has provided, at least you *HAVE* the option of paying
>someone else to do it (which you dont have with CSS)

Sure you do, you buy the competing product if you're going to spend
more money.

>I havent yet met a linux coder who showed any interest at all in hacking
>windows. theres no glory in it (too easy) and more interesting projects
>under linux (althoguh anyone who did successfully hack a significant
>number of linux machines would be an instant celebrity...)

You could quite easily get into linux due to the unsecure Open source
software available surely?!

>Why would linux be any more vulnerable than windows? If anything, even
>if the code in linux were as poor as that in windows, it'd still be less
>susceptible because it runs on a far broader range of hardware (one
>virus wouldnt run on all linux machines).

Of course it would because you would be compiling it to your kernel, i
thought the whole point of *nix was that you could take the source and
compile it to your setup?

>Perhaps. I personally dont care if it eevr becomes mainstream, as long
>as its there for me to use as an alternative.

So you don't use it as your primary OS?

What would you state as being Linux's weak spot?

> > i would personally love to use it,
>
>Cobblers. your post screams out 'I dont want to use linux'. If you
>wanted to use it youd have invested the time to learn it.

I have invested much time in it, i'm just being realistic.

I was a happy Amiga owner and i've been forced to use Windows ever
since Commodore screwed the whole Amiga thing up, i would want nothing
more than to switch to Linux but it just doesn't do what i require
from an OS.

>> Let's take it to a real world scenario, i used many little utilities
>> that i was using on linux where the original designer dropped the
>> product because he moved onto mac osx or palm tops developement, and
>> no-one was prepared to finish them off despite being OSS.
>
>If you were using them, there cant have been much 'finishing off' required.
>I'll call your bluff though. which utilities?

They were just simple utilities mainly for converting divx/mpeg etc
and there were promises of new codecs and a few bug fixes (I.e i
remember one utility would only render from 3 mins into the start of
the footage) they were never added so went back to TMPegEnc on
windows.

I can find them out and what versions there are as i still have my
linux partition on my HDD, like i said before this was a year and a
half ago, and i know things had changed alot then from when i had
tried a few years before that.. So maybe things are different.

I may give it yet another try though, as before i had ISDN and could
never get the terminal adapter installed and was limited to using my
33k external modem (noo), now i'm using standard PPPoE protocol for
broadband it should be piss easy so i can have a play and see how
things have progressed.

>> Sure there was loads of help out there on forums etc. etc.
>
>So what was your problem?

There was no actual fixes.

I.e. i go on with a problem, there's a number of people with the same
problem, yet no-one was stepping up to fix it. Admittedly i only gave
it a month or so, but even so it was pretty much useless so i went
back to XP.

>example - two businesses are offering POS technology (thats
>point-of-sale, btw.) one uses a USB barcode scanner, the other a USB
>'smart key' authentication system, as part of their individual products.
>
>one company finds, fixes, and submits a patch for a bug in the USB code,
>both companies benefit.

That has nothing to do with linux OS though, the same could be true
with windows, there's plenty of OSS for windows too it's a linux
exclusive, its just that the commercial software for windows is CSS
for obvious reasons.. i.e. security being one major reason.

>Hmm. XMMS *never* crashed on me, and mplayer will play movie files
>correctly that wont play properly on my friends winbox and SVCD player.

I will bare that in mind, no doubt i will be dusting off my SuSE
boxset after our conversation :)

Unless you could recommend a distro for me? ;)

>My little server/firewall box has had 3 years of 24/7 runtime without
>ANY crashes (its been downed about 6 times in those three years, 2 for
>moving house and 2 for kernel upgrades. one was an accidental cable yank
>by me, and one was my darling toddler) It has been online the *entire*
>of the rest of the time barring a 3 day outage when the billing for my
>DSL screwed up, and has NEVER caught any kind of virus or worm.

I have a windows 2000 server here at work that has been happily
ticking over since we got it which is a few years, no problems.

The difference is i'm looking at Linux on a personal use basis not as
a server, i've got a netgear router and that does everything i need
re: sharing net connection around the house.

I'm looking at linux from the perspective of a single user machine for
Video, Audio and general leisure activities.. You think it is up to
scratch to provide me that without causing me aggro?

If so it would be very much appreciated if you could point a nice
cheap (free) distro for me to buy or download ;)

>mplayer is a far better media player than anything I know of under
>windows. (except the windows port of mplayer)

Winamp is my weapon of choice, and i can't fault it as yet, i will try
mplayer when i next install though, deffo.

>> 1. Run audio applications akin to cubase sx 2 (24 bit 96khz adio
>> processing at 5ms) with a huge library of plugin support.
>
>Linux has been doing that with sub 2ms latency for quite a while.
>RTlinux variants have sub 1ms latency.

Sounds great! What sofware is available then? I couldn't find anything
a year back that came close, just want audio, FX, and midi softsynths
nothing too dramatic. any ideas? any sites that could guide me?

Another thing can you get those shortcut keys to run scripts on Linux
(Like you see Dell keyboards have) i've started using these alot for
the volume control and would miss them :D

>> 2. Run video applications akin to Vegas Video.
>
>Not one Im familiar with - maybe it can run under wine?

That's pointless, it's all or nothing for me, i can't be dealing with
having to manage 2 seperate OS's and having to create a FAT32
partition for them to share.

>I havent needed IE for 5 years now and counting. Mozilla is a far
>superior browser in terms of both performance and render quality.

The one i used last was shitty and everyone was saying how great it
was, i think it was called YAST or something or KDEExplorer, i cant
quite remember but it was the default for the SuSE distro i bought and
i'm sure it had a ships wheel as its logo very similar to netscape.

Wasn't impressed with it at all.

>> 4. Share files easily within my NTFS partitions.
>
>linux has NTFS read support. dunno about write. Quite honestly, NTFS
>sucks for both speed and stability.

Yeah i tried the NTFS driver, one supposedly wrote, but not very well,
and it was VERY slow.

Shame really as most XP users are fully NTFS'd up now and so to get
linux on would require either a new hdd or partitoning an existing one
(Scary stuff:)

>> 5. Have a nice media player that supports shoutcast, divx and mp3's.
>
>mplayer. what was the last linux you used? v0.01 or something?

Nah it was SuSE 9.0 i remember waiting for 9.1 but went back to XP
when it wasn't doing what i wanted.

Does that support shoutcast do you know?

And can you run a shoutcast server? 

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