Re: Video editing in Linux?

From: SjT (NOT_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 10/29/04 

Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:45:52 GMT

I'm with stupid ---> Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com> wrote:

>Didnt someone mention ROI? Making everyone learn a new UI when you could
>spend (probably) less and simply get the bug fixed / feature added seems
>a bit stupid...

Not for businesses, every company i have worked for gets an IT budget
and it gets spent regardless, everything gets updated even if not
required, it benefits everyone using the system as they are always
using the latest version of office etc.

That's how i look at it anyway, sure if i was the boss i would have
everything done in-house software design and all, after all it's only
simple databases and an email system that are the core of most
companies, however this is currently not how small businesses think.

I try and learn every piece of software that we get through here so
that when there is a problem i can sort it out ASAP, it helps me learn
too.

In fact with windows more or less every program is the same to use,
it's all pretty much standard whether its a C compiler, Word processor
or CAD package.

>> Of course it would because you would be compiling it to your kernel, i
>> thought the whole point of *nix was that you could take the source and
>> compile it to your setup?
>
>You dont compiler userspace code for your kernel (on the whole) you
>build it for the CPU architecture in use.
>What was the point you were trying to make above?

Well i beleived that linux worked so efficiently that any software or
driver that you wish to use is compiled to the linux kernel currently
in use, therefore no matter what source code you've got it should run
and build to your hardware as long as you are running a standard
kernel.

As i've said before i've had many attempts at linux and always fell
short with either installing a piece of hardware or software from the
provided source code, or found out that what i want to do is not
supported on the kernel i'm running so i had to get the latest which
meant having to recompile all my existing drivers etc to it.

I may be well off the mark here, and if i am i would really appreciate
some help or a link to a site which would change my view on the OS.

>> What would you state as being Linux's weak spot?
>
>It doesnt have one. Its annoying that some vendors of hardware dont
>support it but there are many others to choose from. as linux use
>increases, hardware firms will have to sit up and take notice.

Well i always make sure that everything i buy is compatible with linux
yet i still had problems with an asus linux terminal adapter, the
linux drivers were in a prototype state and just wouldnt work for me
(No doubt something i was doing wrong).

The annoying thing is that most sites have their windows downloads
complete with instructions and manuals etc etc then you get the one
download for linux which is a compressed file containing the source
code. Things like this need to be addresses, there should be
documentation too, and i dont mean just bug fixes, i mean how to
install the damn thing! :D

>> They were just simple utilities mainly for converting divx/mpeg etc
>> and there were promises of new codecs and a few bug fixes (I.e i
>> remember one utility would only render from 3 mins into the start of
>> the footage) they were never added so went back to TMPegEnc on
>> windows.
>
>I repeat, *which* utilities?

I really don't know unless they're on my D Partition at home, from the
top of my head the two i definetly had problems with was an avi to vcd
convertor and the other was an audio utility that would set the ID3
tags in a folder for karaoke files.

Because i couldn't do this in windows at the time using one
application and was quite pleased when i found them on linux, i will
check for their names, i'm sure one was called Opendivx too.

>> I may give it yet another try though, as before i had ISDN and could
>> never get the terminal adapter installed and was limited to using my
>> 33k external modem (noo),
>
>My TA emulated a modem, as did most others.

I was using YaST could that have been causing me a problem?

It was supposedly designed to auto detect everything but it never did
:(

> > now i'm using standard PPPoE protocol for
>> broadband it should be piss easy so i can have a play and see how
>> things have progressed.
>
>Go on then...
 
I shall report back, could you help me if i have probs?

Possibly by email to save these groups from my linux journey, i wont
ask much unless i really really get stuck :)

>How come M$ dont host their DNS on windows systems, by the way?

Because linux is better at that kind of work, i've never doubted that,
i've doubted whether it has single user advantages over windows, both
OS's have pros and cons, windows Pro's being that its just so easy and
accesibly which is what people want.

However, as i enjoy computers and learning more about them i feel that
Linux would be the better OS for me and its frustrating that i cant
switch yet.

>> Unless you could recommend a distro for me? ;)
>
>Personally I build my own linux OS ('distro') based loosely on LFS
>(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/)

Holy moly.

I like the idea of that, does that mean that i would only see the
traditional command line of unix before bitch-x and KDE were
available?

I quite like that idea so i could only have what i want running.

Although, i also liked the SuSE distro purely cause it came packaged
with so much crap to play with! :D

Maybe i will give SuSE another go, after all it looks like i was one
of the few who paid for it ;)

>Mandrake appear to have a reasonable distro out there, although I found
>their 10.0 release to be somewhat unstable.

Unstable it what respect? crashing or just runs very slow? or is not
always compatible with programs you would download?

>> I have a windows 2000 server here at work that has been happily
>> ticking over since we got it which is a few years, no problems.
>
>I'll bet its not been on constantly the whole time. besides, whats its
>duties?

It's duties are only serving 24 machines with Email, browsing, SQL
database, i.e. the usual crap managed through back office etc and then
connected to that is the firewall, filter and anti virus box which
cuts out the majority of the crap out from getting to it.

But it does it well and it has been on constantly in fact only a power
cut (Well, someone tripped the server room out) has knocked it down.

I think the trick is to get it running and just leave it well alone.

Why doubt that it shouldn be running as long?

>why do you want ll audio anyhow?

11?! crikey i can't even find where i typed that?! :(

>Im sure you'll understand the vendor software wont run on anything but
>windows, so you will need to set it up yourself.

Yeah i'm aware of that, i was rather hoping that someone has done it
before hand though, otherwise it will be a bit like typing in those
C64 piano programs from magazines :D

>> That's pointless, it's all or nothing for me,
>
>Why? if there was something I needed windows for I'd dual boot. use the
>right tool for the job. however...

Because it's wasteful, and having to administer 2 OS's at home seems
silly to me when i could just be using one.

You like to tinker when you get home, i dont! :D

>think of wine as a binary compatability layer for windows apps under
>linux, and a collection of common windows DLLS rebuilt for linux.

Ok, and what is the performance hit like? any idea? 10-20%?

>What a load of rot. YAST is suses installer

That's right

>and god knows what KDEexplorer is.

I just remembered seeing KDE alot, i think that was the interface
though.

>as to the logo I dont believe you.

..?!?! I'm only going by my memory, you know the software as you've
posted it below, what's the logo? if it isnt a wheel its certainly
close.

>besides since mozilla is available for windows (as you SHOULD know) you
>ought to be able to recognise mozilla when you see it.

Yeah it wasn't mozilla i know that.

>> Wasn't impressed with it at all.
>
>KDEs browser is called Konqueror and is actually very capable.

Thats the one well done! :D

It maybe capable and good but i'm so used to Internet Explorer that it
didnt feel right, it certainly had nothing that impressed me, i was
having to surf on my 33k connection to so that probably made it appear
slower than what i'm used to. And ultimately felt worse.

>besides. HDD space is so cheap now that if you actually WANTED to make
>an interoperable system you'd stick a couple o gigs of shared fat32 on
>the disc too, rather than making a flawed argument about how linux not
>supporting NTFS fully limits you.

What if i currenty have 3 HDD in my machine? 1 for OS, 1 for Video and
1 for Audio?

If i added another HDD i would have to look at getting better cooling
too. I can't really afford to lose NTFS support on any of my drives
but luckily last time i installed SuSE i broke off 8GB from my Audio
drive and its still there as FAT32.

Does running linux on a FAT32 filesytem affect performance much?

>> And can you run a shoutcast server?
>
>Presumably. I havent ever felt the need to find out.

Shoutcast is the best! Internet radio and TV :D 

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