Re: Is there a messenger service out there?
From: David Lloyd Geering (dreamlax_at_phreaker.net)
Date: 07/03/05
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Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:30:40 +1200
Brian white wrote:
> David Lloyd Geering wrote:
>
>>Of course they can call it an operating system. An operating system is
>>just another layer to allow a much easier interface with the hardware.
>>If you were to buy and install a server to maintain a large database
>>using the latest SATA RAID technology and so on, would you bother
>>looking for an operating system that comes shipped with nicks and nacks,
>>support for every digital camera out there, support for MSN with audio
>>and video? No. You'd look for a solid operating system capable of doing
>>only what you want it to do and nothing else.
>>
>>The moment you bloat your operating system, the moment it becomes less
>>stable and ultimately less efficient. The problem with Windows is that
>>many of the things that come with it are mandatory, the smallest Windows
>>XP installation still requires a large disk, and still has things you'd
>>never use.
>>
>>Linux may take getting used to, but it's not going to work wonders if
>>you don't want to put in the effort. Microsoft employees are paid to
>>make it easier for you, but Linux is free.
>>
>>David.
>
> Well, if companys like red hat and novel (aparently their employees are
> unpaid?) arent capable of supporting instant messagng with video and
> sound, smug self satisfied guys like ivan will be the only people to use
> linux. Without end users for linux, microsoft will surrond linux in red
> tape (Patents) and smug self satisfied Ivan will have to learn another os
> (and hopefully take a big pay cut) because linux will not last with his
> stinking attitude.
> I stick with what I said, a computer without webcam support is like a car
> without headlights. It may be ok in grand prix racing but would not be
> allowed on the open road. And for any company selling opperating systems,
> the open road is the place to be. Linux sales pitch to pc users"Linux grand
> prix computers win the races, why do you want headlights?
> Just as a customer would laugh at a salesman selling a car without
> headlights, salesmen laugh at the idea of selling consumer computer systems
> to consumers without videocam support.
> How many programmer years does it require to put instant messaging (full
> support) on linux computers? O, I know! Linux devellopers are so ugly with
> such coarse language that community spirit would be lost forever if they
> could instant message each other and see their faces!
> (For the humourless of you (ugly guys), that is a joke).
> They are even putting instant messaging on cell phones now! How will linux
> enter that market?
> I would be prepared to buy such a full WORKING system with linux on it, so
> why is nobody selling them?
> If you work for a linux company, and you have some programming talent, (and
> you think you are up to the task), print this out, put a bag on your head
> and go to your director of programming and hand it to him or her and ask to
> be placed on the IM devellopment team. Lets have some market driven
> reaearch and devellopment, please!
> Brian White
>
Mr. Brian White,
Linux does have support for webcams, it even has support for my
Panasonic camcorder, and I can stream and record video over the IEEE1394
interface. Linux itself does not lack the support for instant messenging
(or video conferencing), that is all handled at the software level. I
have software to capture and save both my camcorder's data on the tape
and when it is acting as a webcam.
I think your main argument is not directed towards Linux, but more to
software developers. Nobody has yet implemented the ability to stream
webcam data. Perhaps even that Microsoft is not documenting it (most of
the instant messengers such as GAIM, Kopete, and Trillian were probably
all foundationed on reverse engineered software). Perhaps nobody knows
how to include this feature. What port does it stream across? What
format does it stream with? Chances are, developers are still trying at
it, but it is incredibly hard to reverse engineer some things.
Analogically speaking, if Microsoft Windows had support for webcams, but
no software (third party or otherwise) existed that allowed streaming of
webcams across the Internet, you would blame Microsoft for this.
It is not Linux's fault. Linux has nothing to do with it, especially now
that it has the support for webcams. The "responsibility" now lies in
the hands of developers. But you need to cut them some slack, they've
given you rather primitive MSN Messenger support probably by reverse
engineering MSN Messenger itself. If you knew how difficult it was,
perhaps you would be a little more patient.
Who knows, perhaps we will see this feature later this year, and if so,
great! But in the meantime, we should be supporting them, not hurrying
them up, if you know what I mean.
Cheers,
Dave.
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