Re: Debian 3.0r1 Warning, Comments & Questions 1/2
- From: Sterling Dragon <me@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:22:22 -0500
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:06:33 -0500, Sniper wrote:
To: Roxanne Kedge <missroxanner@xxxxxxxxxx>
Re: Debian 3.0r1 Warning, Comments & Questions 1/2 By: Roxanne Kedge
<missroxanner@xxxxxxxxxx> to alt.linux on Wed Dec 17 2003 06:10 am
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> Debian 3.0r1 Warning, Comments & Questions 1/2
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> This Part one mostly "Warning and Comments".
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> After two days of installing and reinstalling I have been able run
> Debian 3.0r1 and all basic things are working...
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> I just wanted to warn debian's new user, please DO NOT say yes to
> "security update" it's a hoax!
Why? They are updates to the current distro... such as if there is a
hole in Sendmail, the "Security Update" has the latest version... quick
and easy fix. Now, if you don't do this, then you are responsible for
your own system. And I hope you know how to install your own
updates/fixes/patches etc...
> Once I was able to install debian and I allowed it (debian
> installation) to update security "whatever that is" someone hacked
> into my computer right after update! and it was because of security
> update. I repeat DO NOT update security. If worst come to worst just
> reinstall debian or switch to red-hat base distro or "cd-run
> knoppix". Either way that's what I recommend.
How about giving us some details on how this supposed person hacked into
your system, and how you are positive it was because of some security
update? I Highly doubt you were hacked into at all. I've been using
the "Security Update" since its inception. Not one single hack attempt
attributed to it. I'm also starting to hazard a guess here that you are
not familiar with Linux at all.
I would have to concur, here. I, personally, am a brand new linux
convertee (two weeks), and could not be more pleased, to have become
one. I, even as a noob, can refute the ignorance of the "hacking"
comments. Having been hacked, immediately after an update (BECAUSE of an
update) would require
that the repository from which this update was retrieved capture/record/
send your computer's information to a person to use in the subterfuge. I
find it more than just a ridiculous assumption on the part of someone
uninformed! Any distro that would disseminate any such apparatus under
the guise of a linux distro would certainly be drummed out of the linux
community, forthwith, and that distro would die!
> Has anyone notice stupidity in debian installation design? Once my
> network card & sound card was configured using vanilla kernel. I had
> to chmod a+rw /dev/dsp so gui (Gnome & KDE) could use it. I am sure
> most of debian supremacist will flame me rather Adam & Linus who are
> professional lunatic. And why can't they just give user a table which
> asks question regarding following 7 cd just click (a la mandrake &
> redhat) and if you have additional but in cd-rom or something, put
> them cd-rom...
Oh please... I'm not a Debian whatever your calling them. But flaming
is due. If you are poping off this attitude over Debian, why did you
even try it? Why didn't you stay with your mandrake and redhat? Can
you you say security for the /dev/dsp? Again, you have to know Linux to
understand this, and you do not.
I must, again, concur... Superior (to MS) security is one of linux/unix
hallmark features. Every snobby, presumptuous, ignorant comment you have
made, regarding the Debian community is without basis or reference. I
have noticed (and again, remember that I am a BRAND NEW linux user) reeks
of presumptuousness. I have also noticed that you do not provide a
single iota of evidence/proof/substantiation for any of your comments!
Decoding your attrocious leap to conclusion via one poorly structured
sentence regarding "Adam and Linus"... I will assume that Linus =
Torvalds(?). I am not familiar with the name Adam (once again, I am
new). Under these assumptions, you are referring as "luntic" to one of
the most brilliant minds in the history of computer science. This, in
and of itself is the most shining example of "sour grapes" ignorance I
have ever seen in an information newsgroup. Roxanne, I came to these
news groups looking for guidance and information regarding my new-found
Debian treasure trove (PCLOS-GNOME). Having stumbled across someone like
you has left a terrible taste in my computing mouth... Welcome to my
KillFile...
> I hate to tell most linux user but it's not "difficult" it's just
> stupid the way it is design and picking "1000s packages/applications"
> is preposterous. There is no search in (not in a normal way) or
> properly organized. And there is not properly update or install
> addiotional packet software (like conectiva, mandrake etc..) once you
> have installed linux (i'm not talk about non apt gui app).
So, lemme guess, you went through the task selector and used the
deselect... There are 2 programs for selecting your packages... you can
use one or the other or both... You of course used the harder, more
interactive deselect. As for no search... of course not... you have to
KNOW what your doing to use Debian. As for updating and installing
additional packages... I guess you don't know how to use a tarball.
Debian is not like Conectiva, Mandrake or any of the other main
packages... Geez... someone didn't do their homework.
> In anycase I'm very angry the way my computer was hack precisely when
> I allowed security.debian.org to update Don't make any mistake like I
> did. If you are using other distro just stick with them or built a
> custom linux cause most distros are becoming SCO, Evil Suse, and
> insane.... Debian 3.0r1 is using konquer 2.2.2 and Gnome doesn't
> work well either and there are other problems. Don't ever update your
> operating system due to security specially when media tell you to do
> so.. Unless you are one of thoese who are downloading illegal 700mb
> of movies, apps and mp3 garbage....
Again, I would like to see some information about this supposed hack.
But after reading your entire post... I can understand why too. Go back
to RedHat where you belong... your complaint about the 2.2.2 konquer and
Gnome are baseless and worthless.. Because you have no clue you are
attempting to advise others? All that we see is a clueless, unknowing,
idiot. Spouting off untruths and false acusations.
> Once again don't let's yourself be abuse by Security Hoax's. Reason
> why Windows User are having "security problem" is that they are
> downloading divx/xvid 700mb of movies and mp3 and apps and I suspect
> most linux user are doing same thing. If you are not like them then
> just don't update. Learn how to make a firewall and configure it in a
> way so it can tell you which apps is trying to access the internet,
> who is trying to hack & ping etc.... By the way I spent 2 days
> learning how to install debian properly and I can safely say don't
> listen to those idiots (a la Cnet, Znet and other evil media) they
> are lying, Security update creates more holes which allow hackers to
> get in much easily. Don't just take my word for it do your own
> research about these security hoaxs!.
Wwindows users having "Security Problems" are because they dont do the
updates.
The recent occurances proved this. M$ came out with the DCOM patch/fix
in
their update site. So, all those that patched their systems were not
hit by the mblaster and sister virus's... whereas the rest of the
world... did. What occured, someone found this hole... they posted it
in Bugtrak, M$ releases a patch that fixes this exploit. Now, a month
after this release of a patch from M$ someone wrote a script using the
knowledge from Bugtrak. Everyone that did not do the update were
basically wide open and were hit. So, who are the stupid ones here? As
for your spending 2 days to learn how to install debian properly. You
didn't learn a thing. And I can safely say that the Security updates
<as you refer to them> are a great benifit, and the most useful of all
the flavors of Linux. Everything that CNet, Znet etc said is true and
you are the only Idiot I see here. As for your word, I hope that no one
takes you for anthing but a raving lunitic. You should have done more
research, but I highly doubt that you could find your way out of a box,
so, don't bother doing any more research, just wipe out the computer you
just installed, and put your M$ product back on it, or better yet, box
the thing up and send it back to the manufacture, because you are too
stupid to even own a computer.
You are a troll and I have finished with you.
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