Re: Have they finally fixed Fedora Core 1

From: Max O. (maxoNOSPAM_at_home.se)
Date: 02/28/04 

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:03:10 GMT

Google Mike wrote:

> "Max O." <maxo@NOSPAMhome.se> wrote in message > Google Mike wrote:
>>
>> I'm a dial up loser, and grabbed a copy of Janary's LinuxUser on a whim,
>> it had Fedora cover discs, a whole set, which beats downloading and
>> burning--even if one had broadband. So I'd blame LinuxUser--though I've
>> updated the offending packages and it's still borked--I edited the
>> python too. Grrr ;) Like I said, the package manager is a POS even when
>> fixed.
>>
>> I may checkout the new fedora when it comes out, though I'll probably
>> just apt-get me a 2.6 kernel, and I've got KDE3.2 slowly trickling in in
>> a wget background terminal.
>>
>> Fedora is more stable than Mandrake, but it has no Frenchy sense of
>> style, hell, even the Teutonic masters at Suse add a little "schwing" to
>> their distro. Fedora looks like a corporate veneer designed by lentil
>> salad eating hippies :)
>>
>> I'm not recommending it to any newbies, they should go with French or
>> German flavours ;P But, if you know kind of what you're doing, it
>> doesn't really matter all that much what flavour you use, eh?
>>
>> Fedora is the first distro to let me shut down my box using acpi! Added
>> the line to grub and it saves me having to press the power button. Quite
>> brilliant :P
>
> You're not a loser. I'm on dial-up too when I go home. I live in a
> 4500 sq. ft. mansion on old rural farm land, but Verizon no-DSL is all
> I can get out here. Thank God when I go to work during the day I have
> a high speed net connection and can either burn CDRs or use my Dell
> USB memory key. In the interest of time and accuracy, though, I go to
> edmunds-enterprises.com to get my Linux distro CDRs. They burn my
> distro, get it to me quick, and charge just a tiny fee on my debit
> card.
>
> As for KDE, I'm a developer that has to stare at a screen all day and
> night. I want things not so loud and XP- or Mac-ish. GNOME is toned
> down and that's what I love about it. I've gotten used to its
> idiosynchrocies, such as editing my launchers by cd'ing into
> ~/.gnome-desktop and having to occasionally run "sudo chown me.me
> .ICEauthority" from a failsafe login if my GNOME session crashed after
> GDM login. I also found that RH disabled menu editing in GNOME and you
> have to read a website on the web to learn how to re-enable that.
>
> As for ACPI, I have that in RH9.
>
> I plan to keep on using RH9, hooking up with Progeny.com at $5 a month
> for patches/updates past the RHN deadline, until someone pries my
> hands off my laptop and says I must go with Fedora. There are a few
> reasons for this. For one, it's stable. Second, as a developer, I want
> to know that the things I build will install on most other Linux
> systems. For me, RH9 is the default reference install. You often go to
> SourceForge and see they have software that installs on Suse 8 or 9,
> RH9, and perhaps Fedora Core 1. Sometimes you see a Debian package.
> Even rarer is a Slackware, Mandrake, or TurboLinux package.
>
> Which brings me to another point. For application development, the
> development community needs to make the "default reference install" of
> Linux rather than assuming Suse 8/9 or RH9. The default reference
> install would be made by a standards committee and would be like
> Debian. All Linux distros, in my opinion, should support software
> installations if they worked on the default reference install. That
> way, developers could code their stuff and make it install properly on
> the default reference install. In the future, therefore, when you go
> to download a SourceForge or Freshmeat package onto your system, you
> would simply look for "DRI" versions of software.
>
> But I digress...

I concur on your packaging digression, that's why I'm trying to use Fedora
instead of the brilliant but slightly off-center Mandrake.

On the KDE vs. Gnome issue, I'm on the fence. I find the default gnome setup
to be brilliant, I kill the lower window list and add it to the top bar and
that's it. I use Firebird and Thunderbird, Gimp2.0, Gedit, Sodipodi,
Openoffice, and cymbaline.py in a console for background tunes..and
occasionally I use Kword for layout--it's really a nifty program.
 
Every six months or so I go on this KDE kick, where I see if I can just use
qt-apps--KDE is a lot snappier (even if it uses 100% of your memory at all
times :P) I really like the Konqueror browser's rendering and the new Kmail
is imap friendly, knode is perfect for my newsy needs...but there seems to
be something missing--with all this integration, shouldn't it make things
more simple? I'd like KDE better if it adopted Gnome HIG guidelines--and
btw, I'm probably one of the few sometimes KDE users that really don't like
all this wierd crystaline icon shiny business--I like the gnome concept--a
home is a house, not a transparent block of plastic.