Re: Don't Try Suse 9.0 64-Bit on an ASUS SK8N Mobo

From: CM (blac1030_at_msn.com)
Date: 11/13/03 

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:19:06 -0600

Everyone says Microsft is in Alpha testing but is kind of funny HP is
selling machines with the 64 bit OS on them now.

"Greg B" <fastfoodguy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5122a8.0311121408.12396fbd@posting.google.com...
> I guess I've just been spoiled by Microsoft installing out of the box
> and either having drivers built in or commodity drivers available for
> all my hardware. Leave it to those hacks at Microsoft to actually
> wait until they have decent hardware support before releasing a
> version. What are they thinking when they could make a few extra
> bucks by rushing an incomplete release to market? Bunch of ethical,
> quality-conscious dumbasses, I guess.
>
> Not like the wonderful folks at SuSE. Quality, ethics? Why should
> they bother with those?
>
> I trusted other people's claims about how SuSE is the best and one of
> the few that "just works". I thought if they were going to put out a
> "release" version and charge this much for it, they would have done
> the legwork to make sure it worked with common motherboards for the
> AMD64. My mistake. Mea culpa. I should have done my research to
> confirm that their AMD64 release was mostly smoke and mirrors with
> very little hardware support beyond the chip itself.
>
> At least Mandrake is doing more QA. Their RC1 of the AMD64 version
> has a functional driver (albeit v0.83) for the SK8N Promise
> controller. Tested it last night after downloading the ISOs for free.
> It's also lacking support for the onboard LAN. But they still haven't
> gone gold yet, either.
>
> SuSE rushed to market, probably to help them close the Novell sale,
> and in the process put out what should have been a beta release as a
> gold release.
>
> Defend them all you want, but Microsoft is waiting to go gold,
> Mandrake is waiting to go gold, and other distributions are waiting
> too. As of late October, Only SuSE and RedHat had put out *release*
> distributions (i.e. non-beta) they claimed are AMD64 compatible.
> SuSE's is $119.95 and RedHat's is $179.95. And for that kind of
> money, they should work with common hardware or still be in beta.
>
> But according to all of you, I got what I deserved. I'm stupid. I'm
> trolling. I don't have a legitimate complaint or legitimate
> expectation that for $120, SuSE should support common motherboards.
>
> And all I can think to ask is when you all got on Bill Gates' payroll?
> It's people like you who help prevent and slow the adoption of Linux
> in the broader market. I can only think that Bill's paying you to
> help drive away potential Linux users, because as smart as you claim
> to be, you'd have to know that's what your insults and aggression do.
>
> So since you're not stupid, you must be malicious. And if you're
> malicious, it's either because Bill is paying you, or because...
> what... a Linux developer made you play "hide the floppy" when you
> were young and now you're acting out?
>
> - Greg
>
>
> Conor <conor_turton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1a1844a597191023989795@news.claranews.com>...
> > In article <b5122a8.0311082347.230cda47@posting.google.com>,
> > fastfoodguy@hotmail.com says...
> > > I've just wasted a day trying to install Suse Linux Pro 9.0 for AMD64
> > > on my Alienware Aurora (AMD64 FX-51, ASUS SK8N mobo, GE Force 5600,
> > > SATA Raid).
> > >
> > > First, there's no support for the Promise RAID controller on the
> > > motherboard, so if you have the SATA Raid, SUSE will not recognize it,
> > > cannot install to it...
> > >
> > > I did a lot of searching and finally found a few articles that said
> > > there were no 64-bit drivers for the Promise controller yet and the
> > > 32-bit driver wouldn't work with the 64-bit kernel. So I said, "what
> > > the heck" and bought an IDE hard drive (on sale) to house Linux.
> > >
> > > It installed okay, and after installing a 3rd Party boot manager that
> > > could ID the Suse install plus my XP install, I booted Linux.
> > >
> > > KDE came up fine, my Audigy sound card installed, I was able to print
> > > from Open Office 1.1.0. One problem... THERE'S NO NETWORK SUPPORT.
> > > It wouldn't recognize the onboard 10/100 ethernet.
> > >
> > That's because you're using unsupported hardware.
> >
> > > More searching later and I seemed to be SOL. There was some cryptic
> > > stuff about some source packages for the nForce chipset that you could
> > > self-compile, but I don't know how to do that.
> >
> > download file
> > extract to directory
> > ./configure
> > make
> > make install
> >
> >
> > > For all of anyone's talk about Desktop Linux, the proof is in the
> > > pudding, and this was an absolute failure. The SK8N was the only mobo
> > > anyone was offering when the AMD64 FX-51 first came out. The fact
> > > that Suse would put out a special AMD64 version that won't support its
> > > features... make you buy the pro version for $40 more than the basic
> > > version, then charge an extra $40 on top of that for the AMD64 version
> > > of the pro version... Absolutely ridiculous!
> > >
> > Not really. 64 bit PC architecture is new. Unfortunately you're a
> > stupid person. Stupid, not because you're academically challenged, but
> > stupid because you forked out way over the top for something that
> > hasn't even got reliable OS support yet.
> >
> > How does it feel to pay to be a guinea pig?
> >
> > > So far, the TCO for Suse Linux (extra hardware, price for distro,
> > > wasted time...) is WAY higher than Win XP. And Linux still doesn't
> > > work yet.
> > >
> > Try using supported hardware. BTW, found a version of XP to run on your
> > AMD 64 system at 64 bits yet? Thought not.
> >
> >
> > FIRST RULE: Check your hardware will actually work on an OS before
> > buying it.

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