Re: kde 3.x to 3.3

From: David Wright (david_c_wright_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 09/04/04 

Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:50:26 +0200

andrew wrote:

> David Wright wrote:
>> andrew wrote:
>>
>>
>>>i am currently running kde 3.1 at some point will YaST 'force' me to
>>>upgrade to 3.3? I realize that I am never truly forced to upgrade if i
>>>don't want to. But none the less at some point by running YaST, will it
>>>offer me kde 3.3?
>>>because right now if I run YaST it won't offer me kde 3.3 or the 2.6
>>>kernel, I can manually get the rpm for kde 3.3 and the 2.6 kernel and
>>>install them, but I'm curious if at some point YaST will automatically
>>>offer me the updates.
>>>thanks in advance
>>>Andrew
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you are running 8.2 or 9.0? In which case, you won't get
>> KDE3.3 rammed down your throat, you will have to decide to manually
>> install it. The YOU updates will not (generally) offer "version"
>> upgrades, just security fixes, unless there is no way to patch the
>> existing version or there are compelling reasons to stop supporting the
>> old version.
>>
>> In general if you want newer versions of products (other than security
>> fixes), you will need to upgrade to a newer version of SuSE or install
>> the packages yourself. You can locate the RPMs required and install them
>> via YaST, but YOU will, in all probability, not upgrade you to 3.3,
>> unless there is a critical security problem in 3.1 that can only be
>> resolved by upgrading to 3.3.
>>
>> This leads to two things in SuSE's point of view: stability for existing
>> installations, which can be critical for many users, especially when used
>> in a business environment, where even security fixes need to be tested
>> thoroughly before being deployed; and secondly a constant stream of
>> revenue from people upgrading to newer versions of SuSE.
>>
>> They need to make money to survive and giving all of the features of the
>> new version as a YOU update wouldn't give any incentive to buy the
>> upgrade (OK, you can download the ISO's anyway). But the bottom line is,
>> no revenue, no SuSE, no YOU updates... They need to find some way to
>> balance stability and supporting existing users and generating revenue.
>>
>> To be honest I like the model, but can find it frustrating when I want to
>> try the latest-greatest, but I installed apt and I install individual
>> apps if/when I need them, or wait for the next full version, where the
>> apps will also be supported by SuSE.
>>
>> Bottom line, you shouldn't have anything to worry about, apart from the
>> end-of-life of your release of SuSE. You won't be forced to upgrade.
>> Apart from after a couple of years updates will stop and you will have to
>> either manually locate and compile fixes yourself or move onto a newer
>> version of SuSE.
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> actually i do have a question now that i think about it for a while.
>
> let's say that i manually upgrade to kde 3.3 and the 2.6 kernel. will
> YaST then give me the security upgrades for kde 3.3 and 2.6 kernel from
> there on out? or will the updater program just think that I have a newer
> version then what is out there?
>
> my guess is that it won't give me anymore updates at that point for the
> kernel or kde, but i could be wrong :-)

No, you are not wrong. Because you have upgraded the packages to unsupported
versions (for your distribution), YOU will not be able to update them, it
will still be looking to add security updates to KDE 3.1 and Kernel 2.4,
therefore if there are security updates for these packages, you (note
little letters ;-) ) will be responsible for the updates.

Dave

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