Re: WARNING to potential LINUX users
From: Peter Köhlmann (Peter.Koehlmann_at_t-online.de)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:19:19 +0200
begin Darrell Stec wrote:
> Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> begin markzoom wrote:
>> < snip >
>>>>>I'm beginning to get a pretty good idea of what kind of group this
>>>>I doubt this very much. You see, this group isn't meant to handle trolls
>>>I wouldn't say that advising newbies to make sure they only buy Linux
>>>compatible hardware is "trolling",
>> Strange that generally you can go and buy a computer and have all the
>> hardware working with linux
>> You see, just a few month ago a bought a new machine. Everything worked
>> right out of the box, be it DVD burner, firewire card, USB (all devices I
>> have), mouse, video card, network, audio, *everything* without a single
>> exception. And I did not ask specificly for linux supported hardware,
>> since I would have had a working adapter at home for any which might not
>> have worked. Turned out, it was not needed, all stuff worked right out of
>> the box
>> May I suggest that I don't believe you? You are a liar
> Excuse me, but it just is NOT necessarily true that one can simply walk
> into a store and buy a computer and have everything working right out of
> the box with Linux. If you did this either you knew a lot of specific
> questions to ask and went to a special store and not a large chain like
> Circuit City/Best Buys/Office Max, OR you were really, really, really
> lucky. My vote is on the lucky.
Your vote is meaningless. Most computers nowadays have ATA drives
(supported) or SATA drives (also supported). IDE CD-ROMS or DVD drives all
work, without exception. Most computers have NVidia or ATI graphics cards
built in, which also work. Nearly all Firewire cards work, as do most
internal network-interfaces. It is really rare to encounter an internal
audio which is not supported by linux.
In other words, what you are suggesting is simply ridiculous. You would have
a point if we talk about laptops, as these tend to be quite specific. If we
are talking Desktop systems, forget about the usual FUD about hardware not
I have not bought a single computer the last 4 years which was not supported
by linux completely, except laptops.
The only advice anyone should heed is: Completely forget about Win-hardware.
These are atrocious under windows itself, and very often are no longer
supported in the next release. So, simply refuse to buy win-modems (I have
no need for any modem since I use ADSL and ISDN), and don't buy
> I've been around computers for a very long time. I built my first
> computer from scratch from discrete components (read that IC chips,
> transistors, diodes, capacitors,etc.). Built my own Centronics printer
> interface and wrote a driver for it. I also built my own modem (way
> back when state of the art was 300 baud) and wrote comm software. So I
> am not adverse to the learning curves that go with something new.
Bravo, bravo. Clapping hands.
Just for the record, so did I. You don't impress me with such stories
I have done maintenance on Mainframes more than 25 years ago
> However I do understand the outrage that markzoom felt.
No, you feign it. What he did was pure and simple trolling, nothing else
While his initial post might have had some (very little) merit, from then on
it degraded really fast and he showed to be either really clueless and
criminally stupid *or* deliberately obstuse and trying anything to make
things complicated and wrong
< snip >
> Installing SuSE was FULL of unpleasant surprises even though I read both
> manuals cover to cover. On my first go-round I decided to custom select
> my own partitions (as I did formerly with the Caldera eDesktop on the
> old computer) but decided to change my mind at the last moment as the
> manual said I could do and opted instead for the recommended partitions.
> The very first thing I noticed was that there was NO SOUND even though
> the sound events were turned on and the mixer showed volume was maximum
> on everything. That was no biggie as it took a while to find the
> correct sound modules through trial and error for the Sound Blaster on
> the old comp.
You are lying. Soundblaster is recognized and will be installed with right
modules. I simply don't believe you when you say a standard old
soundblaster is not recognized
> My second surprise was that when I rebooted to WinXP it
> had been trashed. So I wiped everything clean, reinstalled WinXP and
> started over with SuSE. So much for installing right out of the box on
> a new system.
Sure, the old flatfish troll. You *could* make XP not booting when using the
wrong BIOS-settings, but you did *not* trash XP. And there was a simple
workaround to make it boot again. So you, the ubergeek with monstrous
abilities having build his own computers, proved to be so clueless?
> My old system had a Sound Blaster card but because it was
> ISA could not be installed in my new computer. The new computer had
> onboard sound -- A97C Via chipset. It took three installs before I got
> the sound card working, and to-date I can give no reason why it didn't
> take the first several times.
Oh, these oh so complicated VIA sound chips...
I have such a thingy in on of my computers, and it was detected and setup
correctly in *every* SuSE I have thrown at it, be it 8.2, 9.0 or 9.1
> Second surprise was that the DVD CDR/+RW would not play DVD movies.
> Searching Google lead to an explanation about licensing (which NONE of
> the Windows applications seemed to have) and a shopping list full of
> additional programs and libraries one must install to make it work (not
> a high priority but frustrating nonetheless).
May I suggest you tell us what DVD play in Win-XP out of the box?
Is it about the same or even less than in SuSE? Why do you complain about a
situation when bashing linux, but don't do when talking about windows?
Truth is, you *can't* play DVDs in Win-XP out of the box, without additional
> The CD player (DVD too)
> has no audio. Apparently a sound cable is necessary.
No, it is not, modules for digital audio via IDE bus exist. Although it is
better to use a cable. It is simply wasteful to spend system resources like
processor time and bus bandwith for such frivolous things like *playing*
audio that way. And ripping works with or without that cable
> The manuals
> accompanying the HP a720n show no sound connection on the motherboard
> although a visual inspection might evidence one. But I doubt there are
> two such connectors, so how would one get sound on both the CD and DVD?
> Incidentally I did try the fix in XMMS to enable digital sound which
> had no effect.
It had no effect for *you*
Which in itself simply says nothing.
< snip more bullshit from some clueless wintendo luser >
You know, nearly everything in your post except the lenght and some wording,
would suggest that you are flatfish, the idiot troll, liar and software
thief. He uses SuSE to bash linux, he has exactly the same complaints (or
you used his for your rant), he posts from the same timezone with the same
newsserver. Pity that UniBerlin no longer inserts the IP address and so
became a troll haven the last month
-- The Day Microsoft makes something that does not suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners.