Re: formatting a floppy, setting clock.

From: markzoom (markzoom_at_digiverse.net)
Date: 11/15/04 

Date: 15 Nov 2004 06:58:08 -0800

Millers <atftb@alaska.net> wrote in message news:<41985662@news.acsalaska.net>...
> markzoom wrote:
> > mjt <mjtobler@removethis_mail.ru> wrote in message news:<2vpn73F2loctmU1@uni-berlin.de>...
>
> >>you're confusing Linux with "gui applications";
> >>those are two different beasts. do you think
> >>Linus is out there checking on the progress of
> >>some Gui-format-floppy tool?
> >
> >
> > It **** well should be.
>
> Um, Linus is a person, not an "it".
>
>
> > Eeer, but make it complicated for the user.
>
> Hey, I'm a user and it's not too complicated for me. And I'm not even
> close to being a "guru".
>
>
> > If Linux is to catch the home user market, it has to be simple for the
> > home users. That means GUI for everything.
>
> Well, there's the rub. Since it's inception the goal of Linux hasn't
> been to make the easiest OS and take over the home market.

Suse and various other distros specifically claim to be for the home
user.

> The goal of
> Linux is to make a free/libre UNIX-like OS that is secure, flexible,

The goal is to turn it into an OS for home users, see claims of
various distros.
 
> powerful OS. It's very much that and more. I suppose you think that
> every modern car from a Yugo to an Indy racer should be an automatic
> too. Why, modern drivers shouldn't have to think about shifting after
> all. That requires both footwork and handwork and is too troublesome to
> bother learning!

If I see a car labled hatchback, I expect it to be a hatchback at
delivery, not to have to convert it into a hatchback.

>
>
> >>create a bunch of small, very focused utilities,
> >>which collectively provide a productive environment.
> >
> >
> > Learning and typing cryptic commands ain't "a productive environment".
>
> You got it backwards. REFUSING to learn how to use the tools at hand is
> unproductive. You cripple yourself if you never get past a GUI.

Nonsense. Everything I need to do could be done from a GUI.

> For
> instance, if looking at several thousand lines of log file output, how
> do you set a filter to find XXX, YYY and ZZZ, but only on lines that
> don't also contain WWW and output that to a new file in a different
> directory. It's a very easy command in *nix, but you won't manage it in
> a GUI w/o a whole lot of hassle.

As a home user I don't need to do any of that.

 That's something I do all the time.
> The command line is much more productive.

Not for a home user it isn't! All the OP wants to do is format a
f*****g floppy! You seriously expect him to spend months of evenings
studying console commands?!

>
>
> >>so, my answer is the CORRECT one. twenty keystrokes
> >>and i'm done.
> >
> >
> > Should be about four clicks and no brains in the modern world (where
> > floppies are on their way out anyway).
>
> "No brains". Exactly. Linux isn't targeted at brainless users.

It hasn't crossed your brain that the user might be a genius working
on something while using a computer? He now has to distract his brain
on learning how to use consoles just to format a fucking floppy
disk!!!

> Let's
> hope it never is. Linux is making inroads because with a little effort
> it blows the pants off the competition. If you put in one tenth the
> effort to learn Linux that you put into whining about how hard it is,
> you'd be a "guru" by now.

I don't want to be a Linux guru. I just spent a year building a pair
of fully automatic plastic moulding machines and control electronics
from scratch. My next project is a new type of solar stirling engine
genrator that hasn't been done before. I (personally) can't think of
anything more boring and timewasting than learning a geek OS claiming
to be for home users that needs console language to get to work
properly.

> >>who knows why the OP's 'Kfloppy' isnt
> >>working? what the OP wants to do is create a
> >>filesystem on a floppy and i provide an answer; when
> >>it comes down to it, that's all they want to do.
> >
> >
> > No he wants to do the most basic thing: format a floppy (without
> > having to learn a whole Geek command language that even hardened
> > linuxers keep forgetting).
> > WTF makes you think he wants to "create a file system?
>
> Um, maybe because that what formatting a disk does?

Sure, but why not use plain english to describe it, like "format a
floppy"?
It's like saying "activate the system" instead of "switch on".

> >>if they want to know how to use kfloppy, well then,
> >>i'm not sure.
> >>
> >>what was your contribution?
> >
> >
> > Mine is that the OP could buy pre-formatted floppies. If it's for
> > business use, that's way cheaper than the time formatting them.
> > M.K.
>
> But they're preformatted w/FAT32. Maybe the OP wants non-FAT32 disks.

He most likely doesn't. He just wants to format a floppy so it works.
 
> Or maybe they're old and he wants to "revitalize"? Or maybe they had a
> MAC format on them?

He is obviously having problems doing anything at all with them in
Linux.

> Speaking of Macs, weren't you going to give up on
> Linux and go pester the Mac folks for a while?

I managed to get the scanner of my hp printer working in a fashion at
last. Today I got me a brand new (supported and detected) DVD burner
and k3 fucking B won't burn DVDs with it (works perfect in windows, so
it's k3b/Linux thats buggy geek ***) so I'm pissed off again.
M.K.

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