Re: Suse 9.3 first disappointments.

From: Timothy J. Bogart (tbogart_at_frii.net)
Date: 04/15/05 

Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 07:04:03 -0600

Joseph Dionne wrote:
> Perfect Reign wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:15:35 +0000, not_yet donned fireproof underwear
>> and
>> scratched on the wall:
>>
>>
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>
> I remember those days, when our first "office network" consisted of two
> work stations, and one fileserver/workstation. At the time, Netware was
> the best implementation, considering the alternatives at even greater
> expense. Any remember ArcNet, Token Ring, and other now gone by the way
> side?

Well, 1990 had me building coax cables by hand to set up the our first
UNIX server starting with all of one other machine on the net. A couple
of years later I saw the Novell stuff for the first time and was
scandalized at what passed for an installation process. 'Wadya mean ya
gotta install part of the server at the server, and install the rest of
the server from a client. Thats a joke, right?'

What was it, 91 when 386BSD came out and you could install it locally or
off the net.

And here, 15 years later, I can still install a full UNIX or Linux
distribution right on the target machine, on or off the network. And
all of it using TCP/IP.

Come to think of it, there was free client software for Macs and PCs in
the mid 1980s I used to talk to a VAX.

Now, I don't remember ArcNet, but I do remember that Token Ring was the
hardware level implementation, and you could run TCP/IP or Netware over
it if you wanted. And it still exists. So I am not sure what you are
on about comparing it to Netware.

>
> Software companies DESERVE to be paid for their efforts, and the market
> place should determine who survives. Unlike M$, Novell did not force
> vendors into ONLY deploying their software, nor did Novell drive up in
> limos to competing companies, lure top developers with million dollar
> sign up bonus (covered by IBM's financing most likely).

Guess that is where I have missed the beat all these years. I always
figured that software companies (any company, for that matter) should
get paid based on results, not efforts. Did you actually request budget
numbers from vendors to see how much effort they expended rather than
comparing how well products worked?

>
> I still have customers using NW 3.11. Those installs are still rock
> solid, and all they will need.

Wow. I have never seen a slightly solid Netware install, let alone a
rock solid one. Going back to 94 or so, I remember setting up an OS/2
backup of a Netware server for some folks that greatly reduced their
downtime. I also have some fond (NOT!) memories of two days spent with
folks insisting that the OS/2 mail server I had set up had gone haywire
- until they traced it to a Netware box that had to be reinstalled.

Sort of reminds me of the mail system administrator that insisted on
Windows based servers for a Notes installation. Odd, but when we put
that in a lab and beat it up, there mail kept going plonk under loads.
After scratching our heads on it for awhile, she solved it for us.
There was no problem you see, just a file that regularly gets corrupted
and all you have to do is delete it and restart the server. See? No
problem!

Guess some folks just have different definitions of 'rock solid'.
>
>> But..... it is a perfectly legit business form. They let you purchase the
>> latest and greatest on a CD/DVD. If you want to download, you get one
>> release back.

Except of course for the documented policy of downloading a mirror of
the current ftp server and installing that way. Now, I would prefer
they make ISOs available like some other folks do, but it ain't one
release back.

Cheers.

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