Re: Download vs buy Suse 10?

From: Michel Catudal (_at_)
Date: 11/26/05 

Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:28:37 -0500

Le Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:51:46 +0200, Vahis a écrit :

>>
>> For my use it is useless without all the development files. You fix
>> a system when you put back the vital parts that have been removed.
>
> There is a phase in the installation where you can tick "development"
> take all at that stage and more later when you can add repos. The
> installation will let you run Yast already before it finishes.
>

+90% of the devel files are missing from the iso file on the web.
Fixing the DVD implies adding all the missing stuff. Since the whole
thing is too big I remvoved the debug files, the chinese, british
and other languages I have no need for. I had to put back one
british file to make open office install. For some weird reason
it would install with british language support.
Ichanged all the xine stuff using a modified version of the packman
stuff. I added some embedded system development tools. I added the
normalized keyboard http://www.externe.net/clavier-normalise/
which is a multilingual qwerty keyboard pushed by the Canadian
and Québec governments.
I keep adding stuff and I am trying to figure out how to make it
a multi DVD install.
I will add more themes and change all icons that have lizards and Novell
to something else. I prefer kitties to lizards.
Once I am done with it, it will no longer be SuSE even though it will
have most of SuSE's stuff in it.

>>> I have found it far from useless myself.
>>>
>>>> I made my own DVD which I find superior to the one sold by SuSE but I
>>>> will still buy the package that Novell sells because I want SuSE to
>>>> stay around. With no customer SuSE will be no more.
>
> OK. Personally I see no need for making a new DVD to add to it. The
> downloaded media would need so much to take away from it to make room
> for additions. Easier to install from a server where I have downloaded
> everything that I need.
>

Not to add to it, a complete replacement. A new DVD that installs and
even new list of default files to install. For example it always install
ISDN, pilot, Samba, laptop support and other useless crap. My install
has the option not to have any of that.
When you choose one of the default install, none of them have all the
development files needed to do serious work and it takes a while to
pick all I want.
There is a lot of room for improvment.
I can make custom setups for my brothers and sisters according to their
preferences and they will just have to pick the one setting they want.

The choices in SuSE install are very generic and not very good for a
serious installtion unless all you want is to replace a windows PC.

>>>>
>>> A noble attitude from a superior person.
>>> You just make superior distros yourself and support other, less superior
>>> vendors to avoid them dying on you.
>>>
>>
>> ???
> Sounds noble. Buying useless product, paying voluntarily just to help
> the vendor of a useless product. And then make superior improved
> product. You just made it sound like that, no fence :)
>

Not a useless product since I can make a nice one out of it. Windows
is a useless system.

>> I said that I find my customized version superior, not that I am superior
>> to anyone. It is probably true for everyone who do their own version. It
>> is usually because we don't like the choices made for us.
>
> It's not really that you "make a version of your own" you just install
> the way you like. Freedom of choice. Nobody's making the choices for
> you, they are giving you options. A lot of them. There's a difference.

You obviously have not install SuSE very much.

>>
>> On the support issue, if more people would support small companies instead
>> of always expecting everything for free there wouldn't be so many of them
>> going belly up.
>
> The businesse go the way they do, even belly up, by their own actions
> most of the time. And in this case the vendor is not even that small.
> They get paid by their corporate customers at the same time as they get
> R/D help from the community. See also RedHat.
> You could also look at this principal of delivering a vehicle free of
> charge for the money to roll on.Polaroid cameras were close to free but
> taking pictures with them made them money. Or nearly free inkjet
> printers with filthy ink prices.
> The free distro for Novell is the vessel, not the payload. Their product
> is their value added to an originally free platform.

There is more to it than that. These companies are stuggling to survive
and have choosen to use the Linux community to develop their OS. Our
labor is free of charge.

>
>> The SuSE basic system and that is the same with the commercial as it is
>> with OpenSuse, it is cripple. They are both without any good support for
>> DVD for legal reasons. The iso files available on the net are a strip down
>> version of SuSE. Fortunately we can find the missing stuff on the web.
>
> I think a distro could just as well be only available on the servers, in
> whole. And just a boot media with NIC support would do.
>
It is allready like this. It is nicer and faster to have a local install. 

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