Re: Update is broken again !!!

robertharvey@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Vahis wrote:
I've said this before, but am I really the only one having
everything running smoothly? With just and only what comes by
default with 10.1?

My sig has a link to my notes, see if there's anything I've done
in a different way.

well, you resorted to manually controlling the sequence by which
patches were loaded right from the start.

I started sorting this out by the time there were only experimental
patches in Andreas Jaeger's directory. He put them there before they
were published.

Later when they got published as well as more patches the installation
could be done just by accepting the defaults.

I have also updated the notes, I made another installation just for
testing the other day. I think it's good to check those notes every once
in a while, they keep changing. Not as much as I'd want them to but as
much as I have time :)

If you follow the instructions you'll find out that there is first of
all the default one which is just accepting the defaults and there are
alternative methods. This has changed along the time.

This obviously required
prior knowledge or research, because nothing "out of the box" would
prompt you to do hat.

Indeed, it requires that. I follow the factory mailing list among other
things.

By the way I'm typing now in 10.0 myself. I run it on two of my
machines. I also run 10.1 in daily use as well as alphas.

On top of which, now I have successfully got it all going, at the 3rd
install, it becomes clear that the user frustration with zen-updater
and rug may be based on it's poor handling of large workloads. In the
end I used rug update from the command line to get everything that
yast online update ignored, and there were a couple of one hour delays
between issuing a command and getting a prompt back. It all seems to
have been choking on the initial high workload, and once you clear all
that it all probably works OK.

Glad to hear you've got it flying :)

That said, some of the problems appear not to have been with the code
or the local machine, but the data structures on the mirrors it was
trying to work with - there seems to have been a history of circular
references and impossible combinations, the very thing that a package
manager is supposed to prevent. I think that my last install has
allowed me to laep-frog various mantraps and pitfalls I fell into in
earlier update cycles.

I also think that there needs to be more information about how all this
works - where the data is, how you can purge or rebuild the database,
etc. I have tried the man pages and other sorts of info, and it isn't
enough. I'm quite happy to get the bonnet up and work on something -
as long as I know what is supposed to be under there.

Read the mailing lists, there's a lot of information of the coming
stuff. What's best you can influence on the development. This is a
community distro :)

Yast has always had the ability to load an update cd over the current
installation, but it is very rare, or indeed unheard of, for such a
thing to exist. It might have been a good idea givne all the noise and
mistrust about the launch of 10.1 to make a 10.1.patch iso available
somewhere to bypass all this package-by-package stuff. And what about
people on dial-up, what are they supposed to do?

A modern distro with current KDE and Gnome desktops is not for dial-up,
that's for sure. I'd recommend something smaller.

Vahis
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