Re: SuSE 10.1 -- Updates do not work

houghi wrote:

Per Inge Oestmoen wrote:
houghi wrote:

There is every reason to first download updates to one's hard drive,
back up and store for future use instead of relying upon an online
source at all times.
Not for me. Anyway, you can keep the uploads on your computer by
selecting to do so in YOU. You can also just download the updates using
rsync, so whatever you want, it is possible, just don't asume that what
you want will be somebody everybody wants.
I do not assume that, or for that matter anything else, on behalf of
others.

By saying: there is every reason to ... It really looked as if you
asumed that this would be always the case. Sorry if I misinterpreted it.

It is the case if one downloads programs or program modules which have
lasting value as backup items because they are relevant for future
installations.

What I do, is to state that a system that is solely based upon online
updates and dependence on the availability of online updates in order to
install and re-install a system has its clear disadvantages. These need
to be pointed out.

I would not call this 'clear disadvantages'. e.g. I would NOT want it to
keep the things I download and need only once. So there are (for me)
also disadvatages to do it in another way.

Well, if one needs something only once, the importance of backup does
not apply. I was talking strictly about things that are needed for the
future when one installs again.

The only conclusion is that somehow there always is a downside to
everything.

You might say so, and what is the best solution in each case depends on
the purpose behind the actions.

However, you decide you want to download the updates before you do the
actual updating, then please by all means do so. The best way is to use
rsync.

If these updates are needed when one wants to install tomorrow or on the
next machine, then one is well advised to make sure that one knows how
to make backup of these updates.

If the use of a system is made dependent on the availability of specific
software services that will not necessarily be here tomorrow or the day
after tomorrow, it is akin to software-as-a-service schemes where one
cannot write a letter to grandma without a subscription.

If, if, if. Luckely this does not apply in any way.

Well, in the case of Open Source software, it is likely to be legally
available somewhere, on someone's system. Still I am of the opinion that
the optimal safety for our systems is best maintained if one is capable
of restoring and re-installing one's system(s) with backups and
necessary software under one's own roof. Needless to say, there is no
contradiction between the full utilization of all the advantages of the
worldwide community that truly makes Linux possible and the maintenance
of individual systems.

Then one might
(almost) as well accept the Microsoft and Adobe Product Activation
straitjackets and forget about the user-controlled computer. It would
seem that the possibility of that choice is one of the strongest reasons
to use Linux. - Objectively speaking.

I have no idea why you get software activation into a discussion of
online updates as they don't have anything to do with eachother, exept
that it happens online.

I may not have made myself sufficiently clear then. The point intended
to be brought across was that any procedure that makes a computer system
and its re-installation dependent on the availability of specific
software services, carry an element of the unsafety which has reached
its highest point when software cannot be legally installed witout
permission from its manufacturer.

Regards,
Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway
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