Re: flashplayer doesn't work on 10.1

Matt wrote:

Michael Soibelman wrote:
Matt wrote:

Michael Soibelman wrote:
Matt wrote:

Claude wrote:
Matt wrote:
I have flashplayer installed on my suse 10.1 system:

# rpm -qa |grep flash
flash-player-7.0.63.0-6

and YOU shows flash-player with a check mark, implying that it is
installed.

But it doesn't work on http://www.thefoxmoviechannel.com/ (for one).
There I am given nothing but a link to the flashplayter download
site: http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflash/

Maybe flashplayer is working on other sites and I don't notice. Or
maybe it isn't working at all.

What do I need to do to get flashplayer working on 10.1?
What does it say when you type about:plugins in the URL window?

Thanks for your reply.

It says:

Shockwave Flash

File name: libflashplayer.so
Shockwave Flash 7.0 r63

MIME Type Description Suffixes Enabled
application/x-shockwave-flash Shockwave Flash swf
Yes
application/futuresplash FutureSplash Player spl Yes
as the first item, near the top of the page, which is titled
"Installed plug-ins".

Then there is stuff about several other plugins.
Read my previous post in this thread. That is all you need to do.
Follow
the instructions. Stop wasting time. You need Internet Explorer for
Linux... I answered you. Read that post. The End.
The Great Oz has spoken!!!

But you can imagine my confusion when I see the words "Shockwave Flash"
on the about:plugins page and you wrote:

The site you are trying to view is.........in Shockwave Flash.....
Not a lowly flash video !! But Shochwave... These are two different
types
of media. Shockwave is a streaming video. Therefore you need a
Shockwave plugin, which Macromedia does not provide for Linux.
If you don't have time to answer, thanks for your help so far, and maybe
somebody else can clarify this for me and others similarly confused.

O.K. Sometimes I don't have time and sometimes I do. As I am in the
process of downloading 103 software updates and it's getting late, I'll
explain it to you. But first, I gave you the solution previously so that
you could solve your problem. You should follow my advice and solve your
problem. This newsgroup is to solve problem. It is NOT a social network
like YouTube. The good folks here like myself, Houghi, and 4 or 5 others
answer about 90+% of all questions asked. So when people don't follow
that
advice we tend to ignore useless follow on questions. Regardless, here
is an explanation of what you asked.


Thanks again, and don't feel that you have to reply, but I'm afraid have
some remaining questions.

There is a flash video which requires a flash plugin. This (flash) video
is
downloaded to your browser like normal html code or an image. The
browser
renders (makes viewable) this content. With flash video it uses the
flash
plugin to render it on your computer. usually the entire content is
downloaded first into your local browser cache file and starts playing
when
there is enough of a file to view. Though you are viewing it in your
browser all the file may not have completely downloaded yet so, though
you are viewing the flash animation, more of that animation may still be
downloading in the background to your cache file. The flash player
plugin will render it in your browser by continuing to load the rest of
the
cached/caching file in real time..... This is possible because
Macromedia decided to let the Linux community have there flash plugin.

Now, the Shockwave Flash part. Shockwave Flash is a different kind of
media. This is what is known as a 'streaming' media. This is different
than the normal flash (think of this as passive) media. Streaming media
is
more like listening to an FM radio. You view it, more or less, directly
in
your browser. Your browser renders it directly, like a radio receiver,
in
real time. So, as they stream the video to you, you view it in (close
to)
real time. Think of it as listening to a phone call. It is a stream of
data which the plugin converts to a 'movie' for you. As your browser
receives the data it renders the data, packet by packet, and sends out
request for more packets in the stream. It's just a different way of
providing data. It's uses a different protocol. It uses a differnet
plugin. Macromedia does not provide a Shockwave plugin for Linux !!

I'm afraid I didn't explain all the details of this transport method as
you probably don't want to read all the particularities of the protocols,
but
suffice to say there are two ways of viewing Macromedia animations. One
is passive, normal flash animation, the other active/streaming, Shockwave
Flash animation. Two types of animation, two different plugins. One,
Flash Plugin, the other Shockwave Flash. Even though the site(s) you are
trying to view gives you a default warning message about you not having
the right version of Flash plugin installed, they really are indicating
you
don't have a Shockwave Flash plugin installed. They just don't want to
take the time to properly code an accurate warning message to you
informing you that you need a Shockwave Flash plugin...

Okay, different protocols and different plugins with different names,
poor error message. Also the website directs me to the wrong download
page. All that seems simple enough, thanks.

I know practically nothing about plugins. But the result of
about:plugins seems to indicate that I have the Shockwave Flash player
installed (see quoted text above), and Michael S. is saying that I don't
have it. If I don't have it installed, then why does about:plugins seem
to indicate that it is installed?


Confusing, yes. No one said it was simple. Just take my word for it.
You don't want me to explain the details of these two different media
types.
Do as I suggested earlier and download IE6 for Linux. That is,
presently,
the only way you can view a Shockwave Flash movie. Period. End of
story.

Now I have just spent a good deal of my time explaining this to you.
What
are you going to do. Be a smart fellow and download the required
software
and watch the movie, or are you going to complain again. Honestly, this
is
all I should have to say. Just do it. This is far to much !! We'll
know by your actions if you are honestly trying to learn and help
yourself or
not. It's your call here.

My other question regards the security of running IE and ActiveX on WINE
for an unknown website. Nobody on this thread has said that that is
safe, and a couple have indicated that it isn't safe, and my hunch is
that it isn't safe. But houghi and Michael S. each say to blindly
follow their instructions. Come on, that isn't how most Linux people
work ...

I'm tired so I wont respond tonight. Just will say that I understand what
some people mistakenly think might happen with active-x. In this case they
are wrong. But if you don't feel comfortable installing IE then don't. It
was just a suggestion. As for the browser plugin you say is installed...it
WILL NOT WORK !!!! If, on the other hand, you want to pay for Codeweavers
software then you can run Windows apps on Linux... But, gee, didn't I say
if you have WINE and went to the ie4l download you could do that for free ?

So, no, there is no risk of running into problems running the aforementioned
software. But, if you don't believe me then o.k. Your shockwave plugin
will not run in your Linux browser. Period. That's what Macromedia will
tell you on there web site. They make the plugin, so they ought to know.

P.S. The active x stuff is on THEIR server, not yours.

As an aside, do you have your antivirus software running on your Linux
box ?? If not , do so now. Start with clamav, spamassasin, root kit
hunter, etc.... This is a totally different subject, but related to your
concern. Protect yourself. Beware.

Good night.

And I'm not going to try to convince you to do anything you're not
comfortable doing. And judging from YOUR tone, I'm starting to believe you
are just a troll anyway. But maybe I'm wrong. I'll just bow out of this
thread as you seem to think you know something.... I doubt it.

.

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