Re: How's 10.2 look ?

Et circa horam Sunday 10 Dec 2006 21:35, clamavit houghi:

OK, here goes:
Booted: 10.0 10.1 10.2 Size
/dev/hda1 /media/HDA1 /media/HDA1 / 10GB
/dev/hdb1 /media/HDB1 / /media/HDB1 16GB
/dev/hdb2 /media/HDB2 /home /media/HDB2 23GB
/dev/hde1 swap swap swap 1GB
/dev/hde2 Part of LVM Part of LVM Part of LVM 29GB
/dev/hde4 /media/movies /media/movies /media/movies 122GB
/dev/hdf1 / /media/HDF1 /media/HDF1 10GB
/dev/hdf2 /home /media/HDF2 /media/HDF2 20GB
/dev/hdf3 Part of LVM Part of LVM Part of LVM 122GB
/dev/mapper/system-LVM
/media/backup /media/backup /media/backup 155GB

So if 10.3 Alpha comes out, where should it be placed?
Heaven knows; this is not how J. Random User's disks usually look like ;)
Whatever it chooses for /, it should offer you to format and wait for
confirmation (which it does now and I'm fine with it). Whatever it chooses
for /home, should be left intact.

And does openSUSE know about this?
Well, it does not take Einstein to figure out that if a partition that is
about to be used as /home has a suitable, clean filesystem, it does NOT
have to be formatted. For what purpose? If the user decides that he
doesn't need the data that lies there, he'll wipe it himself.

It does not take an Einstein to figure out that if you want a clean
filesystem, you must format it
Now that's a surprise. e2fsck was still a free tool last time I checked.

so you wil have the least problems.
Having to run fsck is a smaller problem than accidentally formatting and
kissing the data goodbye.

If
you don't want that, ypu deselect the option to format.
No, it should work the other way round. If you want something formatted, you
select the option to format. Default settings should NEVER EVER destroy
anything.

The package (amarok) is probably OK - I just noticed that my ISO has a
wrong checksum, which indicates a dodgy download. It's not a broken
package I'm complaining about (because this is most likely a download
error); it's the installer's way of dealing with it. I assume it should
display a warning and go on installing, since amarok is not
mission-critical.

If the ISO is not ok, how do you know that the rest is? I think it
normal that the installer stops at that point.
To me, halting the installation because of inability to install a media
player is anything but normal. Also, the installer *does* allow an
installation without media check. If it does so, it should be prepared for
such surprises.
And this behaviour is AFAIK standard - I read someone's report recently
asying it happened because of an I/O error as well. Running away from
installing because a single insignificant package cannot be installed is
way overreacted.

years I work with SUSE.
Really strange. I have to say that I'm quite confused why it happened to
me.

You said it yourself, you have a faulty ISO download.
Oh give it a rest. A dirty ISO would result in "Now I'll detect DSL devices.
Continue" dialogs? Maybe it will display a game of checkers if the DVD was
scratched? ;)

Which is an excellent thing; I always keep separate / and /home - this
way I can do a clean install without worrying about my data. My point is
that I can see no good reason to suggest formatting /home.

I know. They should figure out who excatly proposed those things and
give him a gazion dollors or euros, depending what that person prefers.

Take FAT/NTFS partitions. The installer suggests mounting them in
/windows/X and not formatting them. IMO that's the best thing it can do
and I think it can do a similar thing with /home: if there is a suitable
partition, create a mountpoint and do NOT wipe it.

Again, it is a proposal, That proposal wil most likely not be good to
the majority,
No statistics at hand, of course, but if a suitable partition is there, it
can be wiped after installation in no time.

A good behaviour of an installer is that when you create users and it finds
their home directories in /home, if offers to chown the contents
appropriately. So it *is* prepared to be provided with a ready-made /home.
Why not start this good job earlier?


Regards, jkb
--
"Gdy narodził się Koslowski, jego dwaj ojcowie mieli stoczyć zaciekły
pojedynek na pistolety. Ojciec, który przeżył, opowiada, że gdy po raz
pierwszy ujrzał młode niemowlę, zalał się w knajpie na rogu."
(M. Augustin)
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