Re: Backups

w_tom wrote:
On Jun 1, 12:48 pm, Bud-- <remove.BudN...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
You have to be really stupid to say the IEEE would release a guide to
the general public that is not consistent with the IEEE color books.
You have to be even dumber considering the IEEE guide, pdf page 4, says
the guide was peer-reviewed and represents the views of the IEEE.
The IEEE guide says plug-in suppressors are effective.

Every citation from Bud has been used against his claims; to
demonstrate why earthing provides protection. And then more facts are
quoted directly from IEEE Standards (Red Book etc). Bud cannot
challenge those IEEE Standards. So he ignores them.

Just more of the same pathetic drivel.
w_ has a religious belief (immune from challenge) that surge protection must use earthing. Thus in his view plug-in suppressors can not possibly work. Everyone is for earthing. As the IEEE guide makes clear to anyone who can read and think, plug-in suppressors work by CLAMPING the voltage on all wires (signal and power) to the common ground at the suppressor, not earthing. The guide makes clear earthing occurs elsewhere.


What does a protector do if it cannot shunt (clamp, bond, connect)
to earth? It must stop or absorb surges. But then Bud's own citation
say it does not do that.

It is pathetic how a religious belief in earthing can prevent someone from understanding what is clearly explained in the IEEE guide.


No earth ground means no effective protection.

The required statement of religious belief in earthing.


A protector is only as
effective as its earth ground which is why effective protectors have
that dedicated 'less than 10 foot' earthing connection.

And a final statement of the religious mantra.

The issue is not earthing. Everyone is for it. The only question is whether plug-in suppressors work. Both the IEEE and NIST guides say they do. Anyone can read for themselves - I provide links to supporting sources. And anyone can read in the IEEE guide why they work - except apparently w_.

Why does the IEEE guide (chapter 6) provide only 2 examples of surge protection - both of which use plug-in suppressors? Never explained. Why w_?

And why is there never a link to a source that says plug-in suppressors are NOT effective? There must be thousands of them. Where is ANY supporting link w_?

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bud--

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Relevant Pages

  • Re: Surge protectors?
    ... necessarily require earthing to be effective. ... And in the example in the IEEE guide, a service panel suppressor would have provided *NO* protection. ... The IEEE guide recognizes earthing, single point ground, service panel suppressor and plug-in suppressors as effective protection components. ...
    (sci.electronics.repair)
  • Re: UPS in blackouts
    ... "Underwriters Laboratories Standard UL 1449, 2nd Edition, Standard For Safety For Transient Voltage Surge Suppressors, now requires thermal protection in power strips. ... In 2001 Martzloff wrote the NIST guide which also says plug-in suppressors are effective. ... But w can't see anything that conflicts with his religious belief in earthing. ... In that case the IEEE guide says "the only effective way of protecting the equipment is to use a multiport ...
    (alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt)
  • Re: Surge protectors to use with home electronics when grounding is not available?
    ... The IEEE guide explains plug-in suppressors work primarily by CLAMPING ... Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in suppressors? ... the IEEE guide explains plug-in suppressors work primarily by CLAMPING not earthing. ...
    (sci.electronics.basics)
  • Re: Belkin Surgemaster : How does it operate ?
    ... And the required statement of religious belief in earthing. ... Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in suppressors? ... Twists opposing sources to say the opposite of what they really say. ...
    (alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt)
  • Re: "chain" surge suppressers?
    ... The IEEE guide explains, for those who can read, that plug-in suppressors work primarily by clamping, not earthing. ... Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in suppressors? ...
    (alt.home.repair)