Re: Repository 'openSUSE-10.3-Updates' is invalid

Kevin Miller wrote:
Sure, but then how do you get notified of updates.

By email once they are done.

Got a link?

A link to what? The email is local and not very interesting to read.
It is the standard output from a cron command.

Some repos are
turned off on my system, such as the Nvidia one. Can't turn them all
off though and still run a reasonably patched system. Or am I missing
something?

Perhaps the fact that you do not do the updates automagicaly.

Guess you could say I'm running semi-automatically. The updater in the
kicker lets me know when there are updates but I install them manually.

I would not call that semi-automatic.

But even if I did automatic updates, the system would have to query the
repos to realize there were updates to be had. If the repos are turned
off, automatic update would never kick in. Or do I misunderstand you?

The automatic launches and looks for the updates. Just as would, I
imagine, kicker. The advantage is that I do not care wether it takes 5
seconds or 5 hours.


I don't know whether it's a problem or not. But it is an annoyance and
I know it could be better.

Then by all means give the solution to the developers and/or give us the
bugnumber that you opend and where you are working with the developers
on a solution.

That's a tired old canard. It implies that anybody using open source is
qualified, interested, or has the time/inclination to be a hacker.

No, _YOU_ said that you know that it is possible. That implies that
_YOU_ know how to solve it.

I mentioned two approaches: apt, which is a proven technology, and
something based on a DNS type approach. I don't know if anybody is
exploring the latter but it does wonders with RBLs, SPF, etc. Not to
mention, um, DNS. <g>

Great and where can I read about your input on bugzilla? Even mentioning
(perhaps a bit more in detail) on how you imagine this to be working.
The APT stuff I get and I am sure that nobody ever thought of it to do
it that way. I just have no idea what you might mean with the DNS stuff.

And no, you do not have to be a hacker or even able to write code to
give feedback on Bugzilla.

This 'good enough for the girls we go with' attitude puts us not far
from the Microsoft camp IMHO. Open source is wide open for innovation
but too often we settle for much less...

What 'we' settle for is what 'we' want. You say you know it could be
better. That means you have the solution. Why do you not share that
solution with the development team.

I've never met anyone one the development team.

I did, but that is irrelevant. Bugzilla is the tool.

Nor do I have the development background to seriously contribute to
it.

Sure you have. You use openSUSE and that is qualification enough. If
obly developers would ask for things or even test the software, you
would get something completely different.

I presume that the development teams participates in the 'greater SUSE
community' to some degree, i.e., they keep their ears to the ground to
get a sense of how things are working out. But maybe they don't.

Sure they do. They look at what that community brings into Bugzilla. If
it isn't in Bugzalla it isn't a problem. Then there are many, many
openSUSE mailinglists that they will read.

Maybe they have their own little list server or forums and don't care
what the experience is like for us mere mortals. That would explain a
lot.

That is just stupid and almost trolling and you know it. If you, as mere
mortal, would just step down your ivory twoer and just look for a few
moments on the openSUSE mailinglists what is going on, join an IRC
meeting (perhaps just lurking) and what not, you would know that you are
absolutely and completely misinformed.

I've always liked SUSE. For the most part it's what I want. There are
enough things goofy in 10.3 however that make me inclined to try other
distros. Maybe they do it better.

Great. That is what choice is about

So far I'm not wild about Debian (except for apt - it works a treat).
But maybe Ubuntu will work, I dunno. They seem to be listening to
consumer feedback at any rate, judging from their widespread adoption.

And again I am asking you what customer feedback have you given to
openSUSE that they have ignored? And no, telling the people here is not
giving customer feedback.

Or maybe I'll try them and
decide they're not for me. The long and short of it is that we settle
for what works best for us, but doing so doesn't mean we abdicate the
right point out the flaws.


Open source is wide open for innovation, but too often we settle to wait
and let others do it for us. Or people just start asuming things,
instead of knowing.

Yup. We wait for things to get fixed by people that know how to fix
them. When my pipes burst I wait for the plumber. When my car breaks I
wait for the mechanic to fix it. Why should my computer be any different?

So when you pipes burst, you just go and sit and wait for the plumber?
Or are you call them first and then wait? Bugzilla (and the
mailinglists) is the phone. If nobody calls, nobody comes to your house
to fix the plumbing.

Bugzilla has other advantages. You can see how far they are with
solving the problems and enhancements.

One would think from your defensiveness that you were responsible for
the update system.

No, YOU are. I just hate it when people blow hot air and just asume
things that are complete and utter lies.

If you say that you do not like what they are doing, that is fine with
me. However if you say (or imply) that they do nothing then I know that
you are lying and can't even bother to do do any investigation yourself.
No problem with that either, exept for the part where you insult hard
working people.

Have you even tried looking up what the development team is doing? And
no, I am not going to point you in the right direction. I want to see
wether you are seriously interested or just do the easy thing and blame
everything on other people and keep telling that the grapes are to sour.

houghi
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Beware of he who would deny you access to information, <
for in his heart he dreams himself your master. <
Commissioner Pravin Lal: "U.N. Declaration of Rights" <
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