Re: Time learning openSUSE

DenverD wrote:
just my opinion, keep it as simple as possible (remember, their universe is
limited):

Yeah, they are IT. :-D

ONE: just like us, they have 'turf' to defend...tread lightly and do your best
to be 'diplomatic'...that is, the first thing out of your mouth shouldn't be
something like "Ok, now you get to see a REAL Operating System be installed."

LOL. Good advice.

now, i know you wouldn't do that...but, some form of that might at any second
creep into your presentation....just be cautious...AND, eventually (when they
have seen the light) those words will come from *their* mouth..

I understand that this is almost the same form as saying "With Linux I
can do it much easier" and good point to stay away from that. Better is
to say "On Linux I do it this way"

TWO: demonstrate a routine install and try to keep from getting too mired down
in trying to 'teach' them everything all at once....that is, don't explain all
the WHY as you go...just show/tell them HOW and LET THEM ASK QUESTIONS, then
tell them the most simple possible answer required to keep moving..

Very good point.

THREE: do NOT let them decide (as you mentioned in your first post) if it will
be gnome or kde...because that will lead to a long discussion of details they
are not yet equipped to understand...YOU decide: it MUST be one you are very
familiar with, because you don't need to be fumbling around TRYING TO FIND this
or that..

OK, CLI it is as this will be going to be a server only. Basic
installation with LAMP on top of it. Extra software will be basicaly
YaST and mc. The latter because I do like it to go around instead of
using cd all the time. Also FTP and sshd and that is about it for now.
Things that might be needed later will be added later.

but, do NOT choose to load a 64 bit KDE 4.0 on 11.0 unless you want to spend the
first couple of days looking like (to them) a monkey boinking a football while
going through (to them) unbelievable hoops of dependencies, workarounds,
wrappers, etc etc etc..

Hey I happen to LOVE KDE and all the twirling and turning that is going
on. It is like Fox news, but more action.</sarcasm>. My first intention
was to ask if they had already worked with Linux and then wether they
used GNOME or KDE and then use that. If not, I would have gone with KDE3
as that looks the most like Windows, I think. (Remove the hige menu and
turn it into a normal menu)

FOUR: i'd suggest to first just introduce EITHER a desktop machine OR a server
machine...that is, i'd not install KDE and then immediately start building a
LAMP machine....sure, we know all of that (and more) is possible....but, i'd
suggest it best to BEGIN by letting them continue to think in the only terms
they know: users use a desktop and admins manage servers

CLI LAMP it will be.

FIVE: for Gawd's Sake man, do not let them force you into running SUSE in a
Windows[tm] hosted VM....or, did i miss something..

Unfortunatly that will be the case. OTOH if there are too many problems
with the hosting OS, it will be easier to tell them to have a dedicated
OS. Also if things will be added, the need of a dedicated server will
become apparent.

ymmv, otherwise disregard all

Thanks. All good advice and mostly things I knew. However it is good to
be reminded of them and think "oh yeah, that is good to do" instead of
saying afterwards "Darn, I should have done it that way"

houghi
--
Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done,
and why. Then do it.
-- Heinlein : Time Enough For Love
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