Re: Next openSUSE

On Friday 21 Aug 2009 04:02, Happy Oyster played with alphabet spaghetti and
left this on the plate:

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:25:28 +0100, David Bolt <blacklist-me@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

If the programmers do not see it themselves, then they are no
programmes, but toying children.

Insulting people is a great way to make them do things you want them to
do.

Well, talking with them obviously is not possible.

Not for those that actually try to do so.

Yes, they did leave out some functionality. That's because KDE4 is an
almost total rewrite and they're adding in the functionality when they
notice it's missing themselves, and when their users complain about it
being missing.

That is ONE part of the problem.

Why? If something isn't noticed by themselves, because they don't use that
particular feature, and none of the users mention it is missing, then the
assumption is that no-one uses that feature and so it doesn't need to be
included. You want a particular feature, they've got to be told about it for
them to consider adding it.

The other is that in SuSE 11.1 the mix
does not work.

It doesn't work? You mean that KDE3.5 can't work alongside KDE4.x? You
really can't have tried it if you're saying that.

Guess how many millions of people, who are forced to make
the update, are hit by this?

I wouldn't know, as I don't talk to millions of people using KDE, so why
don't you enlighten me as to just how many have been forced.

There is a small group of programmers, but a large group of people who
have to suffer the consequences.

Why, do you think, are so many people fed up?

Good question. You go and ask them, collate the results, and then you can
get back to me with the answer(s). Don't expect KDE4.x to be high on the
list of things people are fed up with.

Why are so many really ill
from their work in the office?

Probably because they don't like their job. The won't get ill because
someone rewrote a piece of software and it now doesn't look or act quite the
same.

The work with shitty programs is torture.

Working with any number of programs isn't torture. It might be annoying,
frustrating, or even majorly piss people off. That still doesn't make it
torture. They have a choice to not use those "shitty" programs, and I'd be
interested in which "shitty" programs you think they are forced to use, but
can use others that do the same job.

Programmers have a responsibility.

Not really. It's nice when they work properly and do exactly as the user
wants it to do, but you'll find that most people are just too fucking idle
to learn how to do things in a new way. They like the comfort of having
everything the same, never changing, and not requiring them to put in any
extra effort to learn new things. Then, when something does change, they
either slowly adapt to the changes, or they bitch and moan about how it's
"not like the previous version".

In the end, the user has a choice:

use the software;
find an alternative that's more to their liking;
write their own software to do what they want;
or just don't use anything at all.

Most will go for one of the first two options. Some others will go for the
third option, which may then give another choice for those that pick the
second option. Finally, you'll get those that like to throw their rattles
out of their pram. Those will be the ones picking the last option.

The guys, who put together the
distributions, have a responsibility.

They do. Preferably to make a distro that installs properly, and doesn't
include too many packages that are broken. They don't have a responsibility
to make sure that version 52 looks and acts the same as version 1.


Regards,
David Bolt

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