Re: My Mandrake 10.0 experience

From: Jubei (donot_at_emailme.com)
Date: 04/09/04 

Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:11:01 -0400

Dan C wrote:
<snip>
>>If software supplied by a vendor does not work out of the box as a
>>result of a default setting that the vendor specifies, this is a bug.
>>Henceforth, Mandrake's fault. That's why they've released fixes for it.
>
>
> Yes indeed. Let's say it again: "they've released fixes for it". OK.
> So a person uses the software, knows there are fixes available, and
> chooses NOT to install any of them. Does that make it OK for him to
> publicly bash the product and claim all sorts of problems? It just amazes
> me that anyone can think like that? Why would a person CHOOSE to not use
> the available fixes, first of all....., and secondly why would they write
> a public "review" saying the product sucks, when they did not apply the
> fixes (that they admit knowing are available)? Just doesn't make sense to
> me, and gets me riled up a little to see it.
>

You do have a point here. I just re-read his original mail, he does
make a reference to knowing that there is an update for xmms. This is a
little ambiguous...was he referring to a mandrake updated rpm or xmms
have released a new version? (Not splitting hairs, I'm actually asking
that people are more specific, Harry).

<snip>

>> Therefore, he's entitled to post. Its zealots like yourself that
>>gives the Linux community a bad name by labelling people as "idiots"
>>"inept" "stupid" "noobs" etc etc just because they're new to Linux and
>>may ask a question that you consider the answer to as obvious. Obvious
>>to you, maybe, but not to them.
>
>
> Of course he's entitled to post, and I am not a "zealot". What I am is
> fed up with people who come in here and bash Linux when they don't know
> what they're talking about, especially when they are outright lying about
> it. That is NOT the same thing as being a noob. Do you see that? I have
> nothing against noobs, and help them frequently in here, in other
> newsgroups, in forums, in IRC, etc... A little Googling will prove that
> if you want to bother.
>

Agreed, I've seen and reacted to this also. Bashing something you don't
understand is incredibly annoying. I think Harry came across
wrong/didn't quite put his thoughts down as he intended, instead of out
and out bashing. He did point out some good things about MDK 10. (I
personally am surprised he found any, lol jk). He does also mention
attempting to run an update, but something being incorrect in the
package manager preventing an upgrade.

>
>>Linux is growing and thriving because of the community, because help is
>>so readily available. People are going to sod off back to Windows if
>>this is the attitude they're going to receive.
>
>
> We see this argument a lot, but I'm not convinced it's true. I hope it
> isn't.
>

<snip>

It doesn't happen in droves, but people do leave when the odd elitest
gets their hands on them and treats them like they just crawled out of
the ocean.

>
>>Why won't Harry have any success with Gentoo? Because he missed
>>something on a web page, he's now unable to install a Linux distro?
>
>
> No. Because he intentionally CHOSE to not install updates that he admits
> to knowing were available, and then publicly bitched about it. That's
> why. Why would anyone think he will carefully follow the excellent Gentoo
> installation instructions? Where is the logic in that?

Heh heh, He'll have no choice but to install the latest package Gentoo
has available. The other beauty is, Gentoo is "live" and the packages
internet based, therefore, more up to date. This actually solves the
problem, hahaha.
>
>
>>I know "n00bs" can be frustrating but try and have a heart. I used to
>>be VERY frustrated with Linux when I started after 4 years of learning
>>Windows inside and out. I went from "expert" to "idiot" within a matter
>>of hours and I didn't like it. Thanks to people in the Linux community
>>who helped me, with a mixture of advice and RTFM (the best advice I ever
>>got) I think Linux is the best thing to happen to technology since the
>>PC was invented.
>
>
> I agree completely with all that. But nowadays when you tell someone to
> RTFM (even politely), they get all violated and think you're a mean
> zealot. Everyone wants things handed to them on a silver platter and are
> outright rude when anything else occurs. When they then publicly start
> bashing the product, that many others use without problems, it irritates
> me to no end. This is not the same thing as being a "noob". I was a noob
> once, and was very meek, polite, and RTFM'd when I was told to. I even
> said "thank you" once in a while to people who helped me. Amazing!

I agree here. People who expect to be spoonfed upset me a great deal
and usually get a tongue lashing from me. I agree with you Dan, walking
the fine line of being helpful while encouraging people to help
themselves is tough. So many don't appreciate that if they learn how to
learn, they'll get on much faster and be a lot more productive, and more
importantly, RETAIN the information.

>
>
>>Encourage "n00bs", don't dishearten them.
>
>
> I do that on a daily basis. Really, I do. Again, this Harry thing was
> not a case of "noobness", it was a case of being dumb and then trying to
> blame someone else, at the expense of a good product. I will continue to
> react against that sort of crap whenever I see it, and at the same time
> help noobs to the fullest extent. Thanks for the reply.
>
No problem. No hard feelings I hope.

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