Re: loing as root user
From: Peter T. Breuer (ptb_at_lab.it.uc3m.es)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:29:49 +0200
WareKala <WareKala@lag.ath.cx> wrote:
> Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:51:31 +0200, Peter T. Breuer kirjoitti:
> >> A user account, and a user are not the same thing.
> > Yes they are.
> A physical human being is usually called a user, while a user account is a
> virtual concept.
Nope. Both have processes running under them. A human being is a
virtual concept to a computer. Do you believe humans exist? What makes
you think they aren't just processes pretending to be running at
something elses insistence?
> So, you're saying some text in a file on the computer's
> harddrive is the same as a physical person?
You're putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that users are all the
same to a computer, whether there is a real person running the process
that belongs to that user or not.
> No, they aren't. Accept it.
You accept it - you're the one that's wrong!
> > Tough. There may be dozens of vulnerabilities in the world, but none may
> > be exercisd. I don't deal in maybes, and the computer doesn't either.
> And? What's the point?
If you don't see it, I suggest you open your mind until you do.
> >> I hate sudo.
> > I love it. Therefore you are nuts.
> I am nuts because I don't like something you like?
> Ahh, now that's mature!
That's how I feel about you - you don't realize that there are dozens
of users on a computer, however many of these fictious "humans" you
pretend there are, and you think that running as root is fine and
dandy, and you can't be bothered to read up on sudo. All in all, not
the sign of a mature electronic entity. What are you? An 8080?
> I feel like in a kindergarten.
Go back to the factory, then.
> >> I'm logged in as root all the time,
> > There you are. Mark of an idiot. I saw a person running a machine like
> > that once. NOTHING worked as a user.
> So? What does have to do with me?
There are dozens of users on yoru machine. Look in the /etc/passwd
> Everything works for me,
Tough - you're not the majority.
> and if I were
> to use a regular user account, everything would still work as long as I
> had the rights to issue the commands I want.
No it wouldn't - regular user accounts don't have the rights to issue
the commands "you want", by all the signs. Last time I saw an admin
running as root, his / had perms 700. That kind of bollixed everything
> > Experience knows that you are about to fall over.
> Well, then I'll prove your experience is wrong.
No you won't.
> In the last 6 years I
> haven't any such mistake as to cripple my system.
Faulty memory too! Your factory really needs to have you back for
> I've accidentally
> deleted some files from my Desktop-directory, but that's that.
Minor vagaries reported to keep the story believeable, eh?
> > No, I mean that if his ability matched his desire, he wouldn't be
> > asking, one way or the other. Since he is asking, he KNOWS he is not
> > able enough.
> Exactly. He's asking because he's not capable of doing it on his own.
There you are, then.
> he shouldn't ask then?
If he were capable, he wouldn't have to ask. By asking, he demonstrates
he is not capable.
> People learn by asking,
No, adults learn by THINKING. Children learn by asking, until they are
old enough to start thinking and researching for themselves. CHildren
past the age of sixteen can be ignored.