Re: Xbuntu

On 29 Sep 2007 10:05:46 +0200
Mark South <mark.south@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wasted precious bandwith with:

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On 28 Sep 2007 16:35:31 +0200
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On 27 Sep 2007 18:03:37 +0200
Mark South <mark.south@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wasted precious bandwith
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:35:15 -0600,
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On 26 Sep 2007 17:25:01 +0200
Mark South <mark.south@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wasted precious
bandwith> >> > with:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:51:39 -0600,

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?¤�������£f> >wrote:> > >> >> >> Also look at Absolute
Linux, which will run like a rocket> >on> >> >your> hardware but
still has (nearly) all the> >conveniences and> >> >comforts.

But no built in wifi, no automounting of pcmcia
cards...> >> >>
Wifi support is there. I have a laptop in the next room
connected> right now. Using a PCMCIA card. So I have no
idea> >> >what you mean.>
Did you have to get madwifi and install that first?

This one's running on ndiswrapper.

Looks like I'll have to read the manual for the
ndiswrapper...>
A secret about ndiswrapper: you don't need the manual. Just
type:>
ndiswrapper -h

and it'll tell you everything you need to know.

Heres another secret: I found that if you type "man" in front of
commands you get info :)

Yeah :-)

But with ndiswrapper there isn't a rich set of option to worry
about, either.


Ok, I'll actually give it a try...too bad Absolute dosent have a
battery icon so I'd have more time to plug it in before it dies.


Now if only I could just type "GUI VERSION" in front of linux
commands and have a widget pop up that made life easier...

Let us know when you get it working ;-)

Linux is supposed to be hard, what was I thinking?

It'd be nice if I could just pop the card in and have a
nice> >GUI> > to configure it with...the pcmcia-linux site says
my> >Netgear> > WG511T*is* linux compatible.

Wi-fi Radar and RutilT are great for setting up connections.

Absolute has WFR and ndiswrapper included.

Command line stuff I presume.

WFR=WiFi Radar. Nice little GUI app for connecting to wireless
networks.

OMG! Some one musta heard my wish!
:)

I've used it on Mint and Ubuntu, it's also on Zenwalk IIRR.

Something else to try out then.

If you meant "automounting of removeable drives", 12.oX
does> >> >that> if you have HAL automounting on.

Well I think I prolly do a "mkdir /mnt/sandisk" and then
mess> > around in fstab to get it to work. I'm learning
slowly...> >>
With HAL and udev you should not need to do any of that.
Which> >is> the point of having them.

Well the automounting is turned on and the pcmcia card is in
the> > slot but it dosent show anything in Rox.

I'm not sure we're communicating here. A PCMCIA/Cardbus card
is a> device, not a drive. (Unless it holds a drive - is that
what> we're talking about?) You won't see it in Rox.

After reading some stuff in vector linux and on the web about
how linux deals with memory cards it indicated that they are
treated like ide drives. So if I do mount -t vfat /dev/hde1
something happens...

OK, this is a memory card in a PCMCIA adaptor, right? I have some
of those adaptors lying around, must try them sometime.

Yeah its your basic sandisk 512mb card in a little metal adaptor
thingy...

modprobe memory_cs and modprobe ide_cs produce info also

If you want help on that then you could post that info here.

Only it dosent under absolute since they use HAL or something.

Also cardmgr and cardctl arnt included...funny how they left
those out.

Not funny, simply correct. cardmgr and cardctl from pcmcia-cs
use> the older, deprecated, PCMCIA kernel interface. For modern
kernels, you should be using pcmciautils, which does everything
from the pccard command. This is what Absolute has.

Ah...I'm using vector 4.3 on this laptop here. The one thats new
and I cant use to do anything useful like surf the net has the
HAL and other stuff on it like you said. You know, Puppy is much
easier than Absolute. No offence but...

Vector 4.3 was quite neat, but it was released in a pretty buggy
state.

The cd I *bought* from them had a corrupted X-free so I still had to
download it from the web. But it works Good Enough.

I think the present state of my feelings about Puppy have been
fairly thoroughly discussed quite recently :-)

On the same hardware, Absolute is way faster than Puppy though.

Interesting. Puppy booted slightly faster when installed to the
drive than absolute...for me.

I put it on a compaq Duron 900 laptop and while its
"fast"> >> >its> > also pretty sparse on features that are
included with a kde>> >> >> desktop.

So is anything else that doesn't have KDE, and the OP was
asking> about an XFCE-based distro.

Ugh...xfce is horrid. He wants zenwalk linux
then...minislack> >> > became"zenwalk" and decided to make xfce
the default for> >them.> > KDE is much easier.

Actually, I quite like XFCE, but it has gotten nearly as
porky> >as> the other desktop environments.

Today I set up an old box to serve as a testbed for some
stuff> >I'm> messing with. Debian Lenny base install, add
xorg-server,> >> Firefox, and fvwm-crystal and it's a
good-looking> >> semi-desktop-environment setup that runs like a
rocket on a> >1GHz> P3 and takes up 1.1GB of disk.

I bet.

After a day or so of using it I wonder why I even bother with
even> vaguely new hardware. This setup is fast and pretty and
all the bits> are from last century.

If I had that I'd stick BeOS Max on that and go back to my cave,
happy:)
Assuming it worked of course.

If you feel like experimenting closer to home (or should that be
/home ?) then try a BSD or two.

Thats my next adventure. I did try PC-BSD when it was first released
a year or two ago and it crashed splendidly during the install.
Maybe its gotten past that "issue"...

Absolute seems aimed at the "educational" market. Maybe its
not> > really for average users.

My impression was that it is designed to run well on modest
hardware> and at the same time to provide a generally useful
subset of Slackware> that contains the programs and tools used by
most people on the> desktop: browse, email, chat, write letters.

It'd prolly run on this old toshiba PII but once I get something
set up I dont like to change it.

I have some machines for serious work that I don't mess with too
often, and a few others that get a lot of experimentation. A lot
of Linux distros will run well on a P3 600 with 256 or 512 MB, and
you can pick these up for nothing, thanks to MS Vista :-)

I know. I can get pcs for free and usually do. Since I"fix" friends
broken winboxen.

But try a few different distros, it's pretty cheap
entertainment :-)

Yeah...When I find someting that works (supports stuff I dont
want to spend a month trying to hack) on my "new" compac amd
900mhz laptop I'll stop using this one.

An additional distro tip: AntiX (lightweight version of Mepis)
announced a new RC on Distrowatch this week, and it runs rather
well on my ancient Toshiba Satellite (PII 233 MHz, 128 MB, 6 GB
disk). It's an installable liveCD, has a batch of wireless
drivers included with a newish kernel(2.6.22) and takes a little
over a GB of disk to install. I'm favourably impressed. Consider
taking a look.

Cheers,
Mark

Thanks...I'll keep it in mind :)

.

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