Re: I just want to browse my network!

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:15:15 -0400, "jim" <jim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

That's right! Let's get all self-righteous and pissy instead of enabling
new linux users to get the work done that they need to.

No question of self-righteousness - Windows /deliberately/ makes
networking
obscure in an effort to prevent other OSs connecting to it. MS want you
to
be locked-in to their rubbish forever.

Unless Linux gets simple enough for the Windows masses to use, they'll get
their wish.

I have no doubt that it will get simple enough in every place where it is not
yet just as simple or even simpler... There are many things (not only, but
also including compatibility with various Windows specific areas, like NTFS
support) that 5 yers ago were more difficult (if not impossible) to set up
than in windows that are now simpler or just as simple. The development has
been amazing in spee and quality (not tomention features of linux that windows
dont even know about).

What ever is still lacking or harder will soon be just as easy. The developers
do know that it's a must for linux to be adopted also by the great majority
who dont want harder to learn (even if it's often more efficient when you do
learn) on desktops.

Networking in Linux is /trivially/ simple compared to Windoze
networking.

You are soooooo right! Hell it'd take 2, maybe 3, clicks to see the
shares on any Windows system.

It takes /1/ /click/ to see other machines on /this/ network, with
/proper/
networking enabled straight "out of the box".

I am installing OpenSuse right now. If that doesn;t work right out of the
box, I give.

In all this time you could have stayed with one distro and learned how to do
it the "hard" (not that hard) way long time ago and could be using the system
now. If you are willing to spend this much time installing different distros
to just check it they support it out of the box would you not have the time to
learn how to set it up if it does not work out-of-the-box? Would have taken
less time...

If it helps, I can advice you how to maunt a known windows share from terminal
- there are other ways but I have not needed them so I dont remember off-hand
how to search for shares, how to mount them fram GUI, but I know how to mount
them and after that they are available on any file manager.

Other people (and guides) have information on how to do this and more in other
ways, I have just not felt the need to use other ways so I have not opent time
te check them out. I do know that there is GUI tools supporting these things.

Here, it evidentally dosen't work out of the box at all.

You just have to /tell/ your machine what the others are called, and give
passwords to them. It's trivially simple, and no more difficult than if
you were setting up a Windoze network with some measure of "security"
(there's actually no such thing as "Windows security" - it's very easily
breached).

If I join a network using Windows I don;t have to know the names of the
other machines. And, I only have to know the usernames and passwords if the
shared folders are password protected.

Naturally - you should be able to search them in Linux too, it does support
that, but then again, you propably do know the IP's and share names on your
local network so you could set up the system to automotically mount them with
this information too? Naturally linux also requires you to use name/password
(ie. credentials) if the share is not available without them.

The folders on my home network are shared and NOT password protected. I
should be able to see them with no problems - right out of the box.

You have a big thing with this "out of the box" thing. Even if you dont get
the support out of the box, you will have more things working out of the box
than you will with windows. If you insist them go ahead and keep looking a
distro that has this - I'm quite sure that there is such. However if I were
you, I would spend (less) time and learn how to set it up if not working out
of the box and after that you would not have to warry about that (and you
would know how to set it up again if you were to install another system on
your network with linux).

If you want to use linux, believe me, setting it up is not a big issue if it
really is not yet supported by major distros "out of the box" or at least by
very simple graphical tool.

Again, if you want, I can give instructions how to set up mounting a share
from terminal window - you have to set it up only once and after restarting
computer you can have it mount the share autamtically on boot or with one
command on command line after the boot. Other that that, I never have needed
anything more, that allows accessing the share, which I believe is the only
really necessary thing.

Yep. Having to put together your OS is a hell of an improvement to just
getting to work!


Perhaps you need to read the manuals!

A link to solve these issues would be nice

Fair enough:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605

I have Google so much that they banned my IP. All roads point to the same
linux tangled instructions of setting up Samba with machine names and
usernames and passwords. None of which is needed for shared folders without
passwords in Windows.

Scrape off the username/password options if they are not needed. You dont have
to set those if your share is available without them - they are just options
that can be set, not must.

jim

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