Re: OPINION: What are the best Linux C++ IDE's out there?
From: Måns Rullgård (mru_at_users.sourceforge.net)
Date: 08/12/03
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:43:45 +0200
Noah Roberts <nroberts@dontemailme.com> writes:
> Hell, even at school where I am forced into the Windows world kicking
> and screaming I bypass all that IDE bullcrap. The VStud.net is so
> slow and loaded to bear with "features" that it is totally unusable
> IMHO. There is a bash script you can run in your startup file burried
> deep in the VC directory tree that sets up all the environment
> variables for you so you can just use Makefiles and a text editor.
> And like any "shell" the command line programs are self
> documented...sort of. Of course there is no Man pages, but there is
> MSDN help (yeah right, use google :P).
You are unfortunate, indeed.
> It amazes me that every single student, but myself, is absolutely
> helpless in the command line. When these poor guys learn a language
> they are taught in VC++ and never learn how make works or what the
> command switches on their compiler are and do. When I explain to them
> why I think beginners should not use IDE: "Well it hides important
> things like Makefiles from you so you never learn how to work without
> the IDE or what the IDE does in case you need to bypass it." I get
> the responce: "What is a Makefile?" :P When the GUI Programming
> instructor decided to use Java instead of VB they where so hopelessly
> lost on the command line that the first whole week was devoted to
> learning how to compile "Hello World".
I know exactly what you mean. I've been teaching Java programming at
the university for a few years. Some groups of students use Linux
machines. At first they are frightened by the absence of msword and
other crapware, but within a week or so they get quite used to working
with the command line and emacs. Some other students use windows.
Fortunately, emacs is installed, we make them use it, but the crippled
command line, and all the other weaknesses make trivial tasks take way
too long time. Not to mention all the questions that arise when
they've been writing national characters (åäö) in their source files,
and see strange things printed in the terminal, and that's before they
try using these characters in class-names. It happens that they
compile just fine, but there is no way to start the program. Things
like that just don't happen in Linux.
-- Måns Rullgård mru@users.sf.net
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