Re: C++ or Java ?

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Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:53:18 -0600

"Daniel James" <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote in message
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> In article news:<42bc5a05$0$1225$3a2ecee9@news.csolutions.net>, Luc The
> Perverse wrote:
>> Without proper OOP, C++ is utter chaos.
>
> That's not actually true. One of the advantages of C++ is that it can be
> used to implement many different program design methods, whereas Java
> pushes you unceremoniously along an OOP path whether it's the right path
> for the problem at hand or not. For this reason C++ is often referred to
> as
> a multi-paradigm programming language.

Unfortunately one of the disadvantages of our higher education systems is
that they teach you only one type of programming, going off on the evil of
"GOTO" statement. I actually used a goto statement once, just to be a
rebel ;)

> It's certainly true that a large body of C++ code written without the
> benefit of an overall design will be a mess, but the overall design
> doesn't
> have to be OOD. That's just one of the common choices (and with good
> reason, for some tasks it's the best choice).

I suppose I realize that there are well made C programs out there. It's
just that whenever I encounter code that is not properly encapselated it
turns out that the programmer either didn't know what he was doing, or he
was being lazy. Perhaps there are other styles of programming, but I have
not encountered them.

> Is C++ better than Java? It depends what you want to do (and what you mean
> by better). C++ is a more complex language than Java and that makes it
> more
> powerful and gives it something of a learning curve. The Java language is
> simpler, but it still has a big learning curve by virtue of all the
> libraries and framworks (and supporting tools) one ends up having to
> learn.
>
> At the end of the day it depends whether the benefit of having those
> libraries and tools outweighs the benefit of having a more powerful
> language ... remembering that there are libraries and tools for C++ as
> well, just not such a bewildering array of them.

I want both dammit! I like C++ and that is where I am the most comfortable.

But I want code of this simplicity to work.

CImgSrc* CCameraObj = NULL;
CCameraObj = new CImgSrc(CamNum, MyConfiguration);
CImage MyPic;
CCameraObj ->TakePicture(&MyPic);
MyPic.Save(PicPath+GenerateFileNameFromDate()+".jpg",
CImage::filetype_JPEG);

I don't want to have to do any low level interfacing past maybe a parallel
or serial I/O. If I write a bunch of low level functions for grabbing an
image from a certain camera, for a certain camera, they will be invalidated
if I ever switch cameras.

The thought that maybe there isn't some kind of unified driver system which
allows higher end calls between different hardware scares me enough to
consider not using linux at all.

> I have a bias towards C++, but Java is sometimes a better tool for a
> particular job ...

I guess I should just choose one (prolly C++) and shut up about it

> and have you thought about Python?

Python? What is Python, precious?

-- 
"When you have to choose between a first-rate company with a second-rate 
product and a second-rate company with a first-rate product, it's never an 
ideal choice. " -Ed (www.overclockers.com) 

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