Re: Standard way of graphics in Linux

On a sunny day (Wed, 13 Sep 2006 16:52:23 +0200) it happened Herbert Kleebauer
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Wolfgang Draxinger wrote:
Herbert Kleebauer wrote:

No, I don't consider high level toolkits. I want to play around
at the lowest level using assembly code.

Ok, have to accept that all the things are much more complicated
in Linux than in Windows. Either I have to spend a huge amount of
time reading documentation or stop my trip to Linux.

No they are actually simpler, as you have the source and can SEE what happens.


The lowest level you can use, is the one, the kernel gives you.
That are the syscalls.

Would like to use an int 80 function, but found nothing which
opens a window and does a bitblt to it. Didn't even find something
for keyboard input.

If you want MS DOS, install it.


Linux is a multitasking operating
systems, which means, you can't just manipulate each and every
pice of the hardware like you want.

Windows is also a multitasking operating systems and has no
problem to provide a built-in graphics interface.

It is as far as I know not so simple, or rather moronic.


Sorry, it's just not
possible. The kernel is responsible for the low level stuff,
you're doing high level.

Exactly that's the problem, the kernel is responsible for the low
level stuff but doesn't provide any support for graphics output
(as far as I understand it).

Thank God for that.


This is done by add-ons, but the problem
is, there seems to be no (or better many) standard for this add-on.

Well X is _the_ standard, if you do not like X you can use svgalib.
I have written several programs that use *xlib*, they are fast, small,
portable to all Linuxes.
But it is much _EASIER_ to use something like xforms.
Qt-4 is a big monster that takes 3 hours to compile..... I never programmed
for Gtk and related... no need.


I don't think Linux will be able to compete with Windows on the end
user desktop market as long as there is no reference system for a Linux
desktop system specified.

What a lot of bull, are you one of the MS payed trolls?
You should be happy with X and all its graphical tools, KDE if you
are a C++ addict, Gtk, many more, stop blabbering nonsense.
It is exactly that versatility that Billy The Dark Emperor always tried
to prevent because of fear of losing market share, that makes Linux
suitable for many more applications then 'just a desktop'.
Why do you not install opensuse ( www.opensuse.org ) for example,
now Billies ex club can learn a lot from that.



And a program (graphic + sound) designed for
such a reference system must be executable on any current and future
x86 Linux system which calls itself a "Linux Desktop System" without
recompilation (I still can execute 20 years old DOS binaries in XP).

Bull***, running vrs slingshot on even win 98 fails, there are many more.
The occasional non demanding stuff _may_ sometimes work, but y'r old
games _wont_.



My current feeling is, Linux is a nice server system (I have a Linux
1.1.18 continuos running since 12 years now on a 486DX2 as an FTP
server without any problem) but as a desktop system it can't compete
with Windows.

What windows? There is MS windows (bad bad bad) and X windows (good good good).
Not a difficult choice.

Seems you are 12 years behind!


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