Re: PII vs PIII

From: ~misfit~ (~misfit~_at_his-desk.com)
Date: 10/13/03 

Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:55:24 +1300

"Lane Lewis" <lanejlewis@@@@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "~misfit~" <~misfit~@his-desk.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > What CPUs were in those machines and what did you use them for Lane?
> >
> > I've always read your posts and have thought you to be informed and
> helpful.
> > This thread is making me reconsider my opinion of you.
> >
> > It's becoming an increasingly likely assumption that you mainly pick up
> your
> > information from websites and newsgoups you read and pass it on. That,
> with
> > a little experience of your own, is not a bad thing in and of itself,
and
> > can help a lot of people who ask questions in newsgroups.
> >
> > However, websites and benchmarks aimed at, for want of a better word,
> > 'fan-boys', don't always cover real-world computing and are certainly no
> > substitute for hands-on experience. Just because something can't be
> > backed-up by a website or a benchmark doesn't make it untrue. "There are
> > more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy
> > Horatio." to quote The Bard.
> >
> > As an example, albeit a bit tangential, I frequent
> > alt.comp.hadware.overclockers. Several mods discussed over there include
> > breaking the pins off CPUs, a move always seen as being irreversible. I
> > asked for, and was given, a mod method which required just such an
action.
> > However, I managed to break off the wrong pin. I was told by all the
> > regulars that I was screwed. This was the gospel according to a.c.h.o
and
> > was widely accepted as bring true. Against all advice I attempted, and
> > succeeded in, soldering the pin back onto the CPU, rendering it
functional
> > again. It's now running at a 50% overclock, running rock-solid and
stable
> > and has been for months. Now the advice usually given over there is to
> make
> > sure you break off the right pin as it can be very difficult, if not
> > impossible to fix if you don't.
> >
> > Listen to the other contributers in this thread Lane and you just might
> > learn something valuable. Something beyond the scope of the hardware
> review
> > sites and benchmarks.
> > --
> > ~misfit~
>
> I have no misconceptions about benchmarks being accurate but they do
> give you something to work with. Discussing something without any data at
> all and it just becomes a I know better than you argument. Real world test
> are the best way to go but that involves a lot of work and unless there's
a
> clear reason to do so I don't want to get into it.
> Hold your opinion into you see how this pans out, we all might learn a
> little more about computing and how to carry on a discussion about
sensitive
> subjects. I spend more of time now in other groups and some of the
debaters
> there have been doing this since the early 90s and will severely denigrate
> you for not following the rules such as backing up any assertions you
might
> profess to be true. You soon learn not to post what you believe if you
don't
> have piles of websites that at least seem to agree with some of your
> assumption.
> This group has changed quite a bit and part of the problem is that I
> probably come off as a know it all stranger that has no business telling
> anyone about anything, but I weathered thru worse than this and hopefully
it
> will end with the group being a little better.
>
> As far as the systems I used to have were dual P2s and dual celerons.
> They were for a while the fastest machines on the market but once the 533a
> and the 600 O/C 900 celerons came out and with their ease at overclocking
> they just killed the dual boards with brute force.
>
> You would think that a Dual P2 450 or a dual celeron O/C 550 could
keep
> up with a single celeron O/C 900 but they couldn't. I always attributed it
> to overhead of the OS but I think most of the smp programs were not
capable
> of taking full advantage of the dual CPUs. So anyway I parted out the dual
> machines and have recommended single processors for the desktop ever
since.

Thanks for the reply Lane.

Funny you should mention celeron 600s running at 900. It was a celeron 600
that I broke the wrong pin off, in the process of getting it to run in a
non-coppermine slocket. Soldered it back on, broke off the correct pin,
jumpered the back of the socket with a strand of IDE cable and it's running
perfectly at 900Mhz now. Still quite usuable too, although not my main
machine. 

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