Re: CLI-kiddies/advocates ?
From: Aragorn (stryder_at_telenet.invalid)
Date: 11/27/05
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:01:55 GMT
On Sunday 27 November 2005 18:20, news@absamail.co.za stood up and
spoke the following words to the masses in /alt.os.linux.mandrake...:/
> Here's one reason why I'd like to kick these CLI-kiddies
> who refuse menues and say they need the extra control.
>
> An importsnt appliation dating back to 1999, which
> runs under X and which I used to run under RedHat6.2,
> I now need to run on a newer box.
You'd get more help if you were to say what application this might be.
Yet you prefer going off on a rant, which is not exactly going to get
you much help /or/ sympathy...
> With great pain [waste of time] recently I got X-setup for
> Mandrake-9. But the important application doesn't run.
> An obvious debugging method is to copy the old RH6.2
> installation with the special application to the newer
> box, on a separate partition.
> The problem is to get RH6.2 -> X setup.
> VT is no problem.
Now you've got me confused. Are you trying to set up X11 on RedHat? To
my knowledge, there are two configuration utilities for that:
/Xconfigurator/ and - if my memory serves me right - /XF86Config./
> Just to rediscover the ID of the 'X-setup' command,
> I took one hour guessing, testing logging-notes.
You could also have taken a look in */sbin* or */usr/sbin* and the
likes. And /bash/ has command completion.
Next to all of that, you could simply have typed...
apropos XFree86
... and you would have gotten a useful list of utilities and /man/
pages.
> And now 5 minutes later I've forgotten [need to
> search notes again], is it called Xconfig, X86setup,
> X11config .........dog$hit ...or what ?
See above...
> My frustration would be somewhat alleviated if I could
> kick one [or more] of these CLI-kiddies who say they
> don't want menu-driven, like mc, because they need
> more control.
In that case, you are only channeling the frustration of your own -
shall we say - /incompetence/ towards those who _are_ competent.
If you want to master your system, then you must _learn_ how it works.
You could just as easily have taken a look at */etc/X11/XF86Config* -
or wherever it is stored - and hand-edited the one on the other box.
> And the non-CLI advocates will say that I should
> only be using the latest cartoon-based which doesn't
> need to know the ID of the X-setup command.
> How then do I handle my old applications ?
You should learn more about the way the system is set up. GUI tools are
only front-ends, and GUI configuration tools store their data in the
same files that would otherwise be edited from a CLI environment.
> A main reason for WinTel's success is the respect for
> users investment, by allowing old applications to
> live on.
Microsoft has _no_ respect whatsoever for any user's investments. All
they care about is that you buy their products, which partly explains
why their products are of such low quality.
But hey, if you prefer Windows, then be my guest. Nobody's forcing you
to use GNU/Linux, and GNU/Linux is not a substitute for Windows - it's
a kind of operating system that Windows can't even begin to touch.
-- With kind regards, *Aragorn* (Registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
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