Re: just "do you"
- From: Aragorn <stryder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 21:55:05 GMT
On Saturday 20 May 2006 17:36, cmk128@xxxxxxxxxxx stood up and spoke the
following words to the masses in /comp.os.linux.misc...:/
why so many people in the net will crazy when they saw these two words
: "Do you"
Just for the record, I don't have any idea what you're talking about,
but I'm trying...
When they see "Do you XXX" as a question, they will answer "Do you
know how to ask a smart question"?
When people tell you that, it is mainly because Google Groups posters -
such as yourself, obviously - are unaware that Usenet is not a forum
that exists on Google, or that is run by Google.
Usenet is an old network of NNTP servers, which each may carry several
newsgroups - some groups are not carried on all servers - and which are
synchronized.
Sometimes, this synchronization is a little off as well, and various
NNTP servers will block certain posts because they are either too long,
or because they contain binaries when the server is text-only, etc.
Usenet is read and written to via a newsreader. There are various
newsreaders available for Windows - /Outlook/ /Express/ can serve as
one, to give you an example - and GNU/Linux typically comes with a
whole plethora of newsreaders, just as it features a rich collection of
e-mail clients, calendars, webbrowsers, et al.
Google's specialty is data mining and offering a search engine to
retrieve that data. In order to gather data, Google archives Usenet.
For a couple of years now, Google also offers a posting interface to
Usenet newsgroups for people whose ISP doesn't offer NNTP as a service
and who can neither find nor afford an alternative NNTP service
elsewhere.
The standard behavior guidelines for electronic communication - also
known as the /Netiquette/ - and many years of tradition both support a
particular posting style, which Google Groups doesn't respect, and
which typical Google Groups posters do not seem to be aware of.
The general idea is that the very people who reply to your posts are
monitoring more than one newsgroup on a daily basis, or even multiple
times per day.
Some of these groups have very high traffic. It is therefore important
if you want to ask a question and you expect an intelligible reply that
you yourself stick to the /Netiquette./
Here are a few guidelines...:
(1) As some groups have high traffic, too many posts pass before our
eyes to know what you are talking about or whom you are talking to when
we come to your post - we can't be expected to remember everything. ;-)
Therefore, you should always include a minimum of (correctly attributed)
quoted material in your post. Even with Google Groups as a posting
medium, this *is* available as an option, although it takes some
looking around to find it.
(2) Do not include the entire quoted post of a previous user. Only
include that which is relevant for the understanding and follow-up to
the thread, and write your own comments _underneath_ the individual
paragraphs you are quoting.
Do _not_ top-post - i.e. the illogical and incomprehensive practice of
writing your thoughts at the top while leaving the quoted post of the
previous poster hanging underneath.
(3) Be prepared to use Google for what it's good at, i.e. being a search
engine. Much of the stuff you are most likely to ask has just as
likely already been answered before or is available as a /HowTo/ or
something similar on the internet.
In addition, your GNU/Linux operating system normally comes with all the
required manuals and /HowTos/ installed on the hard disk, ready to be
used. Much of what you could be wanting to ask us can already be found
there.
You must keep in mind that none of us here are being paid for the
assistance we give you. We're solely doing this on our spare time and
from the kindness of our hearts. So it's only fair that if you want
our help, you should keep the elementary rules of the /Netiquette/ in
mind, and that you don't go wasting our time, isn't it?
LANGUAGE IS USED TO COMMUNICATE, if you understand what i am asking,
why so care about the words? why so rude?
I hope to have shed some light on the reactions you've been getting in
what I've written above... ;-)
thanks
from Peter (cmk128@xxxxxxxxxxx)
What Dan C said is valid...: it's not a good idea to use a real domain
on Usenet - not that I have much sympathy for /hotmail.com/ but
somebody has to do the right thing, right? - because Google archives
the newsgroups, and thus the spam industry's harvesting bots can
scavenge your address.
The best advice I can give you is to use a proper e-mail address - you
really don't need a disposable one from Hotmail, Yahoo or whatever -
but to protect it from abuse by the harvesting bots, by substituting
the TLD - i.e. the three characters at the end of the domain name after
the dot - by the word *invalid.*
This will render your domain unusable for DNS look-ups, and any bonafide
person who wishes to reach you via e-mail can then - eventually with
your help - puzzle your real e-mail address together.
Lastly, please consider that good /Netiquette/ requires that you "lurk"
a newsgroup for about a month prior to posting for the first time, so
as to learn about the habits of the group.
Had you done so in the first place, then you would have undoubtedly seen
the recurring FAQ being posted here, which would have informed you of
much of the stuff I have now taken out the time to draw your attention
to.
Hope this was useful... ;-)
--
With kind regards,
*Aragorn*
(Registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
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