Re: can we break the wordwrap limit in kmail?

On Thursday 14 September 2006 19:28, heavytull stood up and addressed the
masses in /comp.os.linux.misc/ as follows...:

Aragorn wrote:

There are to my knowledge no sentient beings on Mars, but there *are*
plenty of people working on mainframes and minicomputers via text-only
serial line terminals.

when i said "I'm not suposed to know what the whole world is composed
of" I was actually almost taking some gloves because I didn't really
figure out what you were meaning by saying "What about people working
on dumb serial terminals on UNIX machines?"
I was wondering, and still doing so, whether you were talking about
"...people working on dumb serial terminals on UNIX machines..." as
(1)people useful for evry internet user because they were doing some
backgroung tasks for everything working well or (2)just some people in
the world of IT who were just working as such and between whom and
internet users there is no particular interference.
but now i understood that the case 2 is likely to be your meaning so i
strongly confirm my views.

It would appear we have a communication problem... :-/ What I meant was
that those people using their character mode-only serial terminals *also*
need to read e-mail from those devices, and those terminals typically can't
display more than 80 characters per line, and 25 lines per screen.

why wold my life be interferred by their existance?

I don't know. Why would *my* life be interfered by yours?

Such a reply is typical of adepts of useless rhetoric.

Well, what kind of an answer did you expect with a rhetoric like that of
your own?

I can tell you why your life is actually interfered by my existance:
you chose to answer to my post by yourself.

With valid information, I might add...

AFI'MC up to now i have never chosen to interfere with "people working
on dumb serial terminals on UNIX machines"

Like I said: communication problem... ;-)

In plain text, as I wrote in the above paragraph and as I left quoted in
for you to see. HTML is a rendering language and its rendering depends
on the tool it is viewed in.

i still don't understand what you mean by linefeeds. be very very
explicit.

How about "a hard linebreak"? By this I mean an invisible control character
that tells the terminal that the next character is to appear at the
beginning of a new line.

Considering how many Windows viruses get dispersed through e-mail because
of Windows's habit to consider viewing an attachment and executing
whatever code resides *inside* that attachment as being the same thing,
there are far more arguments against using any other format than plain
text for e-mails than there are in favor of it.

is an html email same as a web page?

Hmm... Not exactly the same, but similar, yes.

I mean: are there the same risks? if yes then better to view all
internet in plain text too!

The difference is that in a browser, you can choose to download something or
not - well... mostly, that is - while Microsoft Windows considers the
viewing of an attachment equal to the automatic execution of an attachment
if that attachment is an executable.

but Why wold you stop everything for those security hazes??
building a nuclear facility for energy is a threat of terrorism, do
government stop their plannings??

Terrorists appear to be easier to track down and contain than viruses and
their writers.
you have evidence?
Whatever you say has to be proven unless it is considered as your
personal view

I wrote the word "appear", so that means that there's a reasonable degree of
doubt. Why does everyone appear to need hard statistics these days before
they will as much as accept one word from you? :-/

Besides, nuclear facilities are far better secured than
Average Joe's Windows PC, and are run by people far more responsible and
far more educated than Average Joe, sitting at his Windows PC.

I would personnaly never let myself prevented from doing anything like
the use of html just because of the average joe's.

There are other objections to HTML in e-mails, such as the decision of the
sender to opt for a default font size, which often makes the e-mail hard to
read.

A second example is that while the fonts and font colors are usually
determined via HTML tags, the background color usually isn't, which makes
black text on an undefined background color impossible for me to read in my
current color scheme, which uses white text on a black background.

That's why Average Joe's Windows PC is sending out spam e-mails to us
GNU/Linux users as well without Average Joe even knowing about it.

you mean that the average joe when received a dirty code simply
executes it in an ignorant manner and usually those codes target Linux
users???????

Spam is a problem that affects every user, and the latest generation of
spamming techniques uses trojans/viruses on the Windows machines of
non-suspecting users to send out spam e-mails.

DDoS attacks are another thing. Backdoors like SubSeven or NetBus can be
easily installed via trojans.

NO! they fight agaisnt the threat.
your behaviour is quite laughable because if i really scan your way of
life I will obviously find many such examples that concern you.

You don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about. I do not
have the legal or military power to go after every crook who wants to con
me out of my money, take advantage of my goodwill in other ways or
inflict whatever other harm upon me, but I sure as Hell can secure
people's computers from becoming the remote tools for people who _do_
wish to inflict harm upon others.

I was not talking about that, for example just considerthe food you
swallow daily:
have you never heard about the risks because of the way it is produced?

Sure I have.

or just do you drive a car? have never heard about accidents? and you
still drive it?

Accidents are not the same thing as malicious intent.

what about cell phone? have you never heard about their ability of
cooking the user's brain?

Highly overrated FUD. No modern cellphone causes any of the things it was
accused of causing ten years ago. They're only 2 Watts of power or
something like that.

the choice of using html in emails is risky the same way.

Yeah, we see that all the time, with Windows users needing to install
third-party software to keep their system 95% clean from malware... And
yes, they *are* in the majority in the home and office desktop market, and
so they do pose a hazard - to themselves and to their peers.

BTW with html in email you do not take the risk of ending your life
either unpainly for the luckiest or painfully for the less lucckies.

So I believe I have at least the faintest idea what I'm talking about.

You are blowing this way out of proportion. HTML e-mails are a nuisance for
many reasons, and I just gave you only but a few.

But really the linux users i find on these group are awefull and dumb!

I do not share that sentiment, but on the other hand, it is my conviction
that most of humanity is dumb. And what's worse is that they're dumb by
their own choice. They're too lazy intellectually to take on
responsibility or look beyond their animal drive for self-preservation -
which is no longer self-preservation in the Western world, but pure
selfishness and exploitation of their peers.

and you can off course build up just a trust list of trusted emails and
you choose to fully download emails only from that trust list. Or there
are so many many ways! But stopping all new techs just because of
theats a matter of you only. do not speak and choose (although you
cannot) for the rest of the world.

I am certainly not stopping all new technologies. I am simply fending
off the idiotic ones.

so non plain text emails are of idiotic ones?

If it were up to me, I would certainly abolish HTML e-mails, yes. If a text
needs to be sent via e-mail and that text needs to be formatted, an open
standard formatted document can be sent as an attachment.

And Windows has certainly introduced a lot of those into
the minds of the unwashed masses.

I do understand you don't like windows; but certainly not for the same
reasons as mine

I do not so much hate it because of any experiences I would have had with it
- as I wrote earlier, those experiences are few - but rather because of the
whole scam Windows is.

If I look at how Windows works internally and how it was built, then the
whole thing is just one big mess of trying to turn an inherently
single-user platform into something else - and failing miserably at doing
so - and of wasting perfectly good hardware.

I just do not understand howcome with so much money Windows is far from
being worthy!
u do?

Microsoft doesn't care about quality or about its users. Microsoft only
cares about getting a product across the counter. As much and as fast as
possible. The little print in the licenses ensures that they're pretty
safe from having to refund their users anyway.

I'm not sure how to adequately describe Microsoft as a company. They seem
to be having all the trades of a cult internally while profiling themselves
as a fascist corporate entity externally.

nothing prevents an editor to fulfill such a requirement.

and i confirm

Fine, up to you then to rewrite the whole way e-mail is being processed
by your e-mail client, by the mailservers and by the protocols then.

is it not arrogance here?

No, that was sarcasm. ;-)

Perhaps you can proprietarize this technology once you've accomplished
all that - stealing a little code here and there - and then impose your
new technology onto the markets, hereby suppressing the establish
standards and claiming yours as the only ones. Just like Microsoft does.

forget MS, I do not need to rewrite the spec of email to get what i
would like.

I'm not exactly an expert either, but in my opinion, rewriting those
specifications would exactly be what is required in order to get what you
want.

I have however learned to become *assertive,* which is not the same thing
as arrogance and which is what I am being right now. Call it a defense
mechanism, if you will. Well, that's what it is, actually.

you didn't need to take out your arms. I was not trying to hurt you.

Very well then, I apologize for my stringent tone. ;-)

you seem to not to understand what people are.

I understand all too well what they are. I also understand that people
want irrational things,

wouldn't you be expressing your anger?

Frustration is more like it, I'd say...

anyway I went onto wikipedia and found some links to the email
definition (rfc docs). I will have to study it, i will probably be able
to better stand up for my view.

... Or you may realize that what you're asking for is simply virtually
impossible to achieve.

ho noo man!
nothing prevents me from making an email client editor to wrap the text
as I wish, and I do not even need to touch the definition of "email"
not even know it.

Well, your skill does - no offense, but if that weren't the case, you
wouldn't have asked that question to begin with, right? ;-)

--
With kind regards,

*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
.

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