Re: Why do current distributions tend to destress the importance of developing tools?
- From: Dances With Crows <danSPANceswithTRAPcrows@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:06:38 GMT
Charles staggered into the Black Sun and said:
I usually use linux from scratch on my own machine
Glutton for punishment, eh? (And how did you get that to work if you
don't have access to the Net?)
friend of mine's winxp broke down, and he decided to install a linux
to try something new. I downloaded an OpenSuse CD iso for him. But
when we finished installing, we couldn't find anything like gcc or
emacs. I know that Ubuntu also has this flaw.
There's only about 700M on a CD-R, so there's not enough space for
every package. So they put popular packages and necessary packages
(coreutils, baselayout, kernel, X, one DE) on the installation CD-R, and
you get the other packages from the Net.
We don't have Internet access in our dorm, and there are always
situations that we can't get access to the Internet
? Whoa. You'll typically find at least one unsecured AP in range in
most residential areas in medium-to-large cities in the USA. Also, many
fast-food places and coffee shops offer free 802.11 if you buy some
food there. Take your laptop to one of those places, download a bunch
of RPMs/debs, and transfer those to your desktop later.
we do expect a complete develping toolkit after a fresh install of a
distribution.
So use a distro which offers that (like Gentoo). Or obtain the
RPMs/debs for gcc and all of its dependencies in some way, and install
those later.
Not everyone has a DVD recorder, so we had better not include a
developing toolkit just in the DVD release but the CD one. Is that
the trend for every distribution or just the trend for some?
I'd guess that most new users are more interested in GUI apps than gcc,
and the single-CD install discs are geared to the new users for obvious
reasons. Also, the college you're going to has DVD-+RW drives in its
labs, and if they're a large enough college, they're running a local
mirror for several distros.
--
We're standing there pounding a dead parrot on the counter, and the
management response is to frantically swap in new counters to see if
that fixes the problem. --Peter Gutmann, ASR 6/18/1998
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
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