Re: The Destructiveness of High Technology

Bombadil ha scritto:

There is no need to be very fluent to say, anyway, that:
- cancer is growing
- allergies are growing, (following some sources 30% of english childs suffers now of some kind of allergy)
- Industry pollutes. We here had many cases of dead fishes, completely polluted rivers, soil so contaminated that it is unthinkable to eat vegetables grown on it, if ever someone would be able to grow something on it.

You fail to mention the desruction of ecosystems because you Europeans
have already destroyed most of yours, building over them or pillaging
them or appropriating them for agriculture and the like. Now, you
export most of your environnmental damage.

sigh, quite true (but QUITE)

-It's a matter of fact that brazilians are destroying the forest that is the lung of the planet at a rate that makes think that in a short period scientist should begin to think were to find the Oxygen we need to breathe.

Destroying it to make things to sell to Europe and America and China,
etc. This destruction of the world's forests is hardly confined to
Brazil.
Of course. Globalization, that is.

-Whe burn one milliard barrel oil every year? Well, someone really thinks that all the smoke and toxic products of combustion go away in the air without consequences?
Again, pollution is only part of it. Freshwater shortages, destruction
of ecosystems by development and industry, loss of the world's great
oceanic fisheries due to overfishing, the list goes on.
right (in my opinion)

Most of the damage done by cars is accomplished by the numerous mines
and related processing industries needed to make the things. And roads.
And the industries involved in fueling them.

What comes out of their tailpipes is insignificant by comparison.

Not so insignificant. The really amusing (in a sort of way ) thing is, where now we put the very toxic exhausted catalyst devices (sorry again for my lack of technical dictionary in this amazing language - English).

It seems we have only put the venenom in a barrel, and now we are scraping our heads trying to figure out where to put the barrel. :-)

But when it comes to remedies, then I must say that we differ a lot from those pseudo-environmentalists that are only able to speak against the technology and the progress.
If a solution will come, it will be from science and technology.

And there you have it. The Big Lie. It is the overindulgence in technology that is largely the cause of the problem, providing
incredibly destructive and inefficient and costly solutions to
challenges that could be met well with lower orders of technology.

But that doesn't create investment income....

Fact: if it would be possible to achieve the nuclar fusion, we would have illimitate energy with no pollution at all.
End of the story.
And how to realize it? With low-tech solutions? Don't be kidding.
I'll be proud and happy to make rich any industry giving us such a great achievment. No problems with someone becoming zillionaire if it is a benefactor of the mankind.

Insanity. We've been hearing that for 40 years, and the environmental
problem just keeps getting worse.

False. For a start, in the '60 nd '70 Italy was much worse. I was a kid, and I was swimming among little pieces of shit when at sea, the sea was a sewage, there were no rules, in the river Ticino 1.100 industries were releasing their waste, and so on... Now we have a much better situation (while problems remain).

You just want to go on living like you do and send off your tax
money to the geeks and trust that they invent magick machines
and processes that will save the planet.

I say they are the only ones that can do it. And i only hope they will.
If I'm wrong, then we all are lost.

They won't. They will invent things that will make money for the
investors and pretend that they are "green".

I love profit. And if they'll be able to get profit from shit, I'll love them and pay for it. If on the other hand they will try to fool me with some bullshit and make more pollution, I'll never give them a penny. (If I can choose, of course.)


We need to learn to use the lowest order of technology that will get
the job done. Because they are the least destructive.

You're young and you simplifies things. Aren't you young?


Computers require an incredibly destructive complex of industries. You
are deluded.

You are right, but in a somewhat distorted way

Global networks make possible instant messaging and communication with a minimum of energy to transmit informations across the world.

You can get a message across the globe using shortwave at a fraction
of the cost in energy and materials.

You are either lying or incredibly ignorant.

You are unfair. I am moderately ignorant. :-)

You are a typical ersatz environmentalist. Pretending to care for
the planet but really caring for technology and its benefactors,
the elites of the world. You and your people.

Must admit there is something true in your words. If only you were not so a bit of an Angry Evangelist, you'll probably get more audience. That way, you only get angry answers. Anyway, I'm too old and mellow to care about. You definitely talks like a young man. I love your enthousiasm, I warn you: temper your enthousiasm with a bit of salt.


You think that you can export all of the damage done by your
super materialistic, technology worshipping lifestyle, but
that game is coming to an end. The chickens are coming home
to roost.

We'll see. Come back in a 30 years, and let's have a quiet and ironic conversation on "those messages, 30 years ago..."
Dan
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