Re: bgSEC distributes bastion-firewall under the GPL license
From: Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez (jkerouac_at_bgsec.com)
Date: 08/15/04
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:19:54 +0200
Alexander Clouter wrote:
> On 2004-08-14, Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez <jkerouac@bgsec.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe someone is just forgetting we are simply announcing the release
>> (and this means JUST ONE MESSAGE) of a new FREE SOFTWARE for LINUX and
>> useful for NETWORKING (Offtopic?), that maybe could be interesting to
>> this group. Not commercial software or any kind of services. We think
>> spam it's a different kind of thing we hate as much as everyone.
>>
> Networking _discussion_ and fault resolving is the purpose of this newsgroup.
> It is not a place for promoting your product (regardless of its GPL status).
> Sure I have said "oh and you might want a look at my QoS script" but it has
> been at least inline and revelvant to the original posters query and in all
> probability helpful; and definately not the start of the thread!
>
> 'ONE MESSAGE' and 'FREE SOFTWARE' and 'LINUX' = Freshmeat, anyone whom has
> used Linux for more than a month, yet alone written something for Linux
> should know this. Then again you could be just a marketing droid....you seem
> to be acting Cluelessly(tm) like one.
The fact my message is the begining of a thread and I announce the
release of my own project is not bad netiquette, at least not for me.
If I was talking about someone else project you probably have not
being so susceptible. But I can't find the difference, anyway.
And about the second paragraph. I use Linux since the ten disks
Slackware distributions, you just judge people without knowing
anything about them. About writing Linux software my projects
talks louder than anything I could say. Check them if you want,
and do it yourself better if you can, that's the GPL philosophy.
The project was released a week ago in Freshmeat and also in Sourceforge
some days ago. If you have read my original message you should know,
all the URLs for the project are in it.
Marketing droid? This is funny. We don't sell any Commercial Software
or hardware at all and we didn't any marketing in our message.
>
>> Maybe netiquette is not the same in every group, in my country and the
>> groups I use to read or post to this kind of messages are wellcome or
>> simply ignored.
>>
> yes but then the regular messages you get do not casade across _every_
> news-server and onto *everyones* news clients of those whom subscribe to this
> group. Sure your message might be 10kB large or whatever, then multiply this
> by the number of people receiving it and the 'cost' of getting it distrubuted
> across all the news servers, it very quickly adds up.
THIS thread probably is REALLY annoying for many people, being
distributed in all the news servers and getting onto everyone
news clients. And all because someone is too susceptible about
my posting. It's my fault? If this is the case then I am sorry
about it, but I think it's time to end the game.
>
> You have just single handly made your product/company as popular as a 419
> email/posting.....well done, at least it means my company will be avoiding
> your product like the plague.
Ok. It's your problem, not mine. I don't earn a single penny if you use
my firewall or not. It's free software, did you forget it?
Go and buy Checkpoint Firewall with Stonebeat if you want, I don't
mind at all.
>
>> Anyway if someone considers this as spam or a bad netiquette behaviour
>> we are sorry about it. It was done with the best of intentions.
>>
> Its called http://www.freshmeat.net/ , if you are planning on making
> annoucements anywhere about new software that is opensource and so on, you
> post it there. Get with the program.....</rant>
As I said before the project was released in freshmeat a week ago.
>
> Cheers
>
> Alex
And anyway if someone still considers my posting as spam or bad
netiquette I am sorry about it. Lesson learned. No more free software
release postings from me or bgSEC.
-- Jose Maria Lopez Hernandez Director Tecnico de bgSEC jkerouac@bgsec.com bgSEC Seguridad y Consultoria de Sistemas Informaticos http://www.bgsec.com ESPAŅA The only people for me are the mad ones -- the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow Roman candles. -- Jack Kerouac, "On the Road"
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